UN, singles out Israel as world’s only violator of women’s rights

You must have missed the part where the Israeli "occupation" of the WB, under international law, ended in 1994.

 

Link?

 

Whatever. Yet you are probably unable to refute even a single argument Chomsky has ever made because he backs up everything with scholarly research and facts - which is why he is recognized as a leading intellectual and invited to speak in universities and symposiums all over the world.

Condemning someone without even understanding their work just because they don't agree with you politically is hardly an honest way to present your opinion.

And you know what they say about opinions...........

 

Actions actually speak louder than words...just like illegal settlements and walls speak louder than apologists.

 

Yes. Israel controls all land a sea borders.

Egypt is not demolishing homes, destroying Gaza's economy, murdering kids throwing rocks or using US ordinance to attack civilians.

https://www.apnews.com/7cc0aa222e1147f1bdab3a17d0662454

 

I would argue that Jews may not be able to halt the rise of anti-semetism ( much of which is coming from far right nationalists in Europe and the US btw) but they sure could take steps to mitigate it with honest negotiation for a two-state solution.

A solution that is dead at the moment.

 

So you really have no idea what you are talking about.
Correct, Dhimminies are protected, but you seem to ignore the other 90% of what they are.\
Dhimminies are non muslims living on Muslim land.
They pay a jizya tax to be allowed to live, and it is much higher than the regular Zakat.
Some Calief's from the past did not even allow conversions because it reduced the coffiers from the huge amount the Dhimminies brought in.
They are 2nd and 3rd class citizens, and there are entire books written about this.
The list is way to long of the things they are not allowed.
I suggest you read about them.

and how many quotes can you pull out to make a religion sound barbaric.
Maybe a dozen from Jewish.
None from Christianity.
Thousands from Islam.

You really have no idea what you are talking about.

And please tell me how to study the Qur'an, not that a person would want to.
It is bastardized verses from Jewish and Christian books.
skipps from one thing to another. No context, no storyline.
They take existing stories and people and change them to muslims, in a time when muslims did not exist.

If you want to learn about Islam, one of the last places to go is study the Qur'an.

And if you don't know how to read the Qur'an correctly, most of what you thought you learned is wrong.

 

Trump doesn't follow our own rules, Trump is a fluke[/QUOTE]

You would like to think so but the reality is that Trump is not an aberration. He is the natural progression of failing political structure and crumbling moral facade of the dominant economic and political system on this planet.

Trump is literally holding a mirror up to America showing what it actually has become behind the lies and patriotic propaganda.

The question still remains, what is America going to do about it?

 

Except the Egyptian border.
Which Egypt closed - and thus, blockaded Gaza
Why is it OK for the Egyptians to blockade Gaza, but not the Israelis?

Neither are the Israelis, except when they respond to the rockets and mortars fired from among those homes.

Sure it is - it, too is blockading Gaza.

Sorry - you'll have to quote the text that supports your assertion that "Israel's goal, unstated in official circles, is to drive every last Palestinian out of Palestine", because I see none.

 

Sorry.....


http://factsanddetails.com/world/cat55/3sub2/entry-5836.html#chapter-1

 

link?

 

Perhaps not. But you are stating that there are "entire books" written about this yet you have not posted a single reputable quote.
You are making broad sweeping statements about "jizya" taxes without making a single reference to which country or what time period you are talking about. Did they pay a tax to live in the 7th or 8th century? Later in the Ottoman Empire? In Spain only?

Go ahead and educate me.......

Lol, no quotes in Christianity that sound barbaric, eh? You're funny. And you say I don't know what I'm talking about.

Perhaps that is true but I know what you are talking about and what you are attempting to spread on this forum.

Remember what Lennon said about people with minds that hate............

 

LOLOL
Israel can't open their borders
They bring in weapons with which to practice their religion.
And they aim them at civilian places.

God told the Muzzies to kill the Jews long ago, and they have been doing it for 1400 years.
It is not about land.
It is about killing jews.

 

LOLOL

why are you even attempting to argue this if you know nothing about it.

Yusuf Ali:
Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book, until they pay the Jizya with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued.

Please show me these quotes from Christianity, Not jewish quotes, Christian quotes.

and why are you pretending to know nothing of dhiminitude.

Since ignorance causes dhimmitude, knowledge of the doctrine of political Islam will change a dhimmi into a kafir.

Here is one dhimmi treaty with Christians:

1. We shall not build, in our cities or in their neighborhood, new monasteries, churches, convents, or monks’ cells, nor shall we repair, by day or by night, such of them as fall in ruins or are situated in the quarters of the Muslims.
2. We shall keep our gates wide open for passersby and travelers. We shall give board and lodging to all Muslims who pass our way for three days.
3. We shall not give shelter in our churches or in our dwellings to any spy, nor hide him from the Muslims.
4. We shall not teach the Koran to our children.
5. We shall not manifest our religion publicly nor convert anyone to it. We shall not prevent any of our kin from entering Islam if they wish it.
6. We shall show respect toward the Muslims, and we shall rise from our seats when they wish to sit.
7. We shall not seek to resemble the Muslims by imitating any of their garments.
8. We shall not mount on saddles, nor shall we gird swords nor bear any kind of arms nor carry them on our persons.
9. We shall not engrave Arabic inscriptions on our seals.
10. We shall not sell fermented drinks.
11. We shall clip the fronts of our heads. [An Arabic sign of shame, a beaten man] 12. We shall always dress in the same way wherever we may be, and we shall bind the zunar round our waists.
13. We shall not display our crosses or our books in the roads or markets of the Muslims. We shall use only clappers in our churches very softly. We shall not raise our voices when following our dead. We shall not take slaves who have been allotted to Muslims.
14. We shall not build houses higher than the houses of the Muslims.

Whoever strikes a Muslim with deliberate intent shall forfeit the protection of this pact.
(from Al-Turtushi, Siraj al-Muluk, pp. 229-230)

Keep in mind, these people are also paying the Jizya tax.

Another I read was where if a muslim hits you, all you can do is ask him to stop.
as I said, there are lots of books on it.

And BTW, Dhimminies are protected by the government or the muslims would kill them, but Iraq is an example where the government was overthrown, and the Jews and Christians had to flee for their lives before the muslims practiced their religion on them.

 

You aren't aware the Israelis and Jordan signed a treaty in 1994?
You aren't aware said treaty that moved the Israeli/Jordanian border to the Jordan river?
http://www.kinghussein.gov.jo/peacetreaty.html

 

Neither are the Israelis, except when they respond to the rockets and mortars fired from among those homes.[/quote]

Yes, Egypt is part of the blockade. Which is shameful but there military leaders are in an defacto alliance for aid with the US and they don't want Hamas smuggling weapons through their territories.

Really?:

"Israeli work crews have begun demolishing dozens of Palestinian homes in an East Jerusalem neighbourhood in one of the largest operations of its kind in years.

The demolitions capped a years-long legal battle over the buildings, built along the invisible line straddling the city and the occupied West Bank. Israelsays the buildings were erected too close to its West Bank separation barrier. Residents say the buildings are on West Bank land, and the Palestinian Authority gave them construction permits.

In the wake of a recent supreme court decision clearing the way for the demolitions, Israeli work crews moved into the neighbourhood overnight. Massive construction vehicles smashed through the roofs of several buildings, and large excavators were digging through the rubble."

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2...-demolish-palestinian-homes-in-east-jerusalem

https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1693&context=mjil

Israel has been demolishing homes all through the West Bank and Gaza for years to build settlements and it is part of the biggest reason for infitada and rocket attacks on Israel. This is Israel policy not a response to rocket attacks.

Sure it is - it, too is blockading Gaza.

And in 1937, Ben Gurion stated:

"The compulsory transfer of Arabs from the valleys of the proposed Jewish state could give us something which we never had, even when we stood on our own feet during the days of the First and Second Temple."

And in a letter to his son, also in 1937, he stated:

"We must expel the Arabs and take their places and if we have to use force, to guarantee our own right to settle in those places then we have force at our disposal."

“During the assault we must be ready to strike the decisive blow; that is, either to destroy the towns or expel its inhabitants so our people can replace them.”

https://www.counterpunch.org/2005/0...st-expel-the-arabs-and-take-their-place-quot/

"If Israel were to annex parts of the occupied West Bank, as Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu promised in his re-election campaign, it would be a potentially fatal blow to the already tattered prospects for a peace agreement with side-by-side states, and could unleash a new round of violence, Palestinians warned on Monday.

But among Palestinians and in the wider Arab world, the reaction to Mr. Netanyahu’s campaign promise was largely muted, colored by a deeply skeptical view of Israeli vows and intentions.

The prime minister’s remarks changed little, many Palestinians said, because in their view the two-state peace process was dead already and Israel was headed in the direction of annexation all along. Some Palestinians said they suspect Mr. Netanyahu is playing short-term politics more than making a serious long-term political statement.

“In fact, they expect much worse than that,’’ he said — they expect the Israelis to expel the Palestinian population of the West Bank.

Mr. Netanyahu has been trying to win over far-right Israeli voters who might opt for more extreme parties in Tuesday’s election. He said on Saturday that if re-elected, he would begin asserting Israeli sovereignty over areas of the West Bank, starting with Jewish settlements. Suddenly, the future of the West Bank became a central issue in an already-heated campaign.

Much of the world would consider annexation both a violation of international law and a breach of the Oslo accords. But to many Palestinians and other Arabs, Mr. Netanyahu has never been serious about a peace agreement or a Palestinian state. In their view, building and expanding settlements has long amounted to an unofficial, creeping annexation."

https://www.nytimes.com/2019/04/08/world/middleeast/netanyahu-west-bank-annexation-palestinians.html

 

Hm. Why do you suppose -Israel- closed her borers to Gaza?

Gaza.
Israelis, except when they respond to the rockets and mortars fired from among those homes, are not demolishing homes in Gaza.

This is not in the link you provided.
You'll have to quote the text that supports your assertion that "Israel's goal, unstated in official circles, is to drive every last Palestinian out of Palestine", because I see none.

 

I'm not attempting to argue with you. I am trying to provide some context and historical information to temper your violent hatred of Islam in a futile attempt to help you moderate your attitude.

I knew this would be a waste of time from the beginning as your want to quote the most inflammatory quotes you can find and to pretend that there are no similar quotes in the Bible or Torah point to someone on a mission to try and dehumanize and demonize an an entire faith composing almost a quarter of the world's population - most of whom are entirely peaceful.

As I said, I usually avoid these types of discussions with no nuance or perspective and which only serve to spread fear.

I am not religious and don't pretend to be but I do know that all the three major religions have histories of barbarity and violence and discrimination written into their texts.

That you are taking one of these texts and trying to demonize a whole faith and discriminate against an entire people is telling but not something I wish to indulge in.

I knew another guy on another thread who spent all his time pouring through anti-Islam websites for quotes so he could spread hate and fear too.

A complete waste of time who most on the site considered a bigoted ******........

I am sorry you feel compelled to do that here. I recognize that you are attempting to invite others to feel the same hate and fear that you do.

I decline.

You are welcome to your hate and fear of Islam. I don't think it will serve you well but I leave you to it.

The truth remains that Jews lived mostly peaceful lives in Palestine until the Zionist takeover of their lands.

https://972mag.com/before-zionism-the-shared-life-of-jews-and-palestinians/118408/

https://jewishvoiceforpeace.org/zionism/

Entire books have been written about that too.......

 

Yes I was aware. I was asking you to provide a link that was relevant to the discussion of legality of the occupation.

 

And now you have it.
There is no occupation, as the WB, under international law, belongs to Israel.

 

The quotes are in the link as are Bibi's quotes on the issue part of the public record.

Read the whole link before commenting.

My assertions on the goal of Zionism are clear to anyone who follows the conflict in Palestine with clear open mind. You just have to study the history of settlements to understand......

 

You know that is false. You are playing word games.

Please provide a single document that supports your assertion that the WB belongs to Israel under international law.

Recall I have provided link after link up thread which you fail to address and respond by repeating the same unfounded claim over and over.

 

Please copy and paste the actual quotes that support your assertion that supports your assertion that "Israel's goal, unstated in official circles, is to drive every last Palestinian out of Palestine", because I see none.

Also:
- Why do you suppose -Israel- closed her borers to Gaza?
- Why do you believe Israel, except when in response to the rockets and mortars fired from among those homes, presently demolishes homes in Gaza?
- Why doesn't Hamas in Gaza attack Egypt? No Jews?

 

I cited the treaty - a treaty you were aware of - where Jordan ceded the WB to Israel.
Israel cannot occupy land that belongs to it under international law.
How am I wrong?

I cited the treaty - a treaty you were aware of - where Jordan ceded the WB to Israel.
Israel cannot occupy land that belongs to it under international law.
How am I wrong?

 

Making up stuff again I see.
I said there are none in the Christian religion, and few in the jewish one.
But I have read the Qur'an and most of the sunnah and there are thousands in Islam.

Read Muhammeds biography, the vilest book ever written, it would be illegal in a pornographic movie.

And regardless what members of religions have done, Islam is the only one that orders them to do it.
Not history of times past, but orders for today and tomorrow.

As I said, you know nothing of the topic.