Unarmed woman is shot by Police in Capitol. The People Who Scream ‘Police Brutality’ Don’t Care.

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  1. chris155au

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    No he doesn't. Neither does ANYONE who is giving a speech.

    Well, if the Capitol protest was planned BEFORE Trump's speech, then it doesn't matter what Trump said. The protest was ALWAYS going to happen!

    They were obviously standing ready, but not because Trump WANTED them to!

    You're assuming that the Proud Boys were MOTIVATED by Trump saying "fight like hell!" :roflol:

    No "ifs?" You're the one who made up the 'IF!' Right here:
    So again, IF Biden gave such a speech, and BLM went on to riot, I wouldn't hold Biden responsible. And neither would you! :roflol:
     
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    Nope. The video footage only proves that the people who are in the video were peaceful.

    Just like the media cannot prove that everyone was peaceful! :roflol:

    Remember, your claim is that it was a totally peaceful protest and that Trump conspired with the cops to forcefully remove them for a photo op,
    under the false cover of the protesters being violent. That's a conspiracy theory!
     
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    Okay, so 90% who did NOT riot! Which means that it was mostly peaceful! :roflol:

    By the way, it was the Capitol Building, not the White House!

    You just don't want to admit that BLM protests were mostly peaceful, but the Capitol protest was mostly FASCIST VIOLENCE!

    But he DID NOT use it on the cops!

    No, I didn't deny that. I said this in my last post: "Yes, bombs, weapons and ammo WERE found, but just not on the rioters."

    You have presented no evidence that he was either a trespasser or a rioter.

    Correct. So rioters who used them should have been shot? I wouldn't have had a problem with that, but I doubt that this is DC Police policy.

    Yes, because Blake's back was turned. The cop couldn't see what he was doing.

    Your own source disagrees with you:

    https://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/12/cover-policing.html
    "With more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies across the country operating at the federal, state and local levels, there is no "typical" police department."

    How do you know that everyone at the Capitol protest was a fascist?
     
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    You are not presenting any argument why his words did not matter at all.

    We're not talking about a planned protest, but the attack on the capitol.

    Standing ready was what Donald said at a different much earlier time. He now told them to fight like hell or else lose their country.

    Yup. Them, and others who were there.

    Biden never gave such a speech. That's the entire point.
     
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    So you got nothing to dispute it.

    And I proved that it was. You are disputing it, but can't prove it. Call me shocked.
     
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    Totally irrelevant.
    It's totally irrelevant to the point I made.

    Same with the black person who got shot in the back.

    The guy with the weapon was on the grounds of the capitol. So says my source. It's just trolling if you claim he was just sightseeing and taking pictures and not taking part of the riot.

    I sourced that this happened on the grounds of the capitol.


    But they weren't shot.

    So my point stands:
    Cops do not shoot violent fascist busy killing them,
    while not having a problem shooting a black man fleeing.


    Not my problem.


    It doesn't say there are 15,000 different law enforcement agencies.
     
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    Of course he does. He's there to give a speech, because he thinks it matters what he says. People listen to him, because they think it matters what he says.

    irrelevant point

    That's your opinion, not theirs
    https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/proud-boys-celebrate-after-trump-s-debate-call-out-n1241512

    They did what they were told to do before. They did what they were told to do on the 6th.


    Point is... Biden never did give such a speech.
     
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    So you can't prove they were violent. Got it.

    It's your point they weren't and you can't prove it.

    It is what happened.
     
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    I didn't say that I can prove that the peaceful protesters seen in the video
    were violent.

    It's your point that the peaceful protesters were the only protesters there, and you can't prove it.

    Quote ONE SINGLE media source which claims that Trump conspired with the cops!

    And you apparently don't realise that a Congressional investigation into the matter found no conspiracy! :roflol:
     
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    Yes, but this has nothing to do with his words making him responsible for the attack! His words were certainly BAD though! I disagree with him!

    The attack came OUT of the protest.

    Clearly they thought that it's what Trump wanted, but this doesn't mean that Trump WANTED them to stand ready!

    Okay, so you admit to assuming that the Proud Boys were MOTIVATED by Trump saying "fight like hell!"

    I wouldn't hold Biden responsible. And neither would you! :roflol:
     
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    How? Your claim is that the protest was NOT mostly peaceful! That's simply WRONG! It's a FACT that it was mostly peaceful, just like MANY BLM protests!

    It's relevant because you are treating the Capitol riot differently to the BLM riots. You think that BLM protests were mostly peaceful, but the Capitol protest was mostly FASCIST VIOLENCE! :roflol:

    Yes, but your source doesn't say that he was a RIOTER!

    Which is a mostly public area. Hence no trespassing for the VAST majority of protesters, many of whom were MILES away from the Capitol building.

    Correct, because the two situations cannot be equated. A BLM RIOT on the other hand CAN be equated to the Capitol RIOT! And no black person was shot by a cop during BLM RIOTS! Why not? I mean, if they're all vicious racists, then why didn't they shoot black people who were rioting?

    Yes, it's not your problem that because Blake's back was turned, the cop couldn't see what he was doing. What's your point?

    Your claim is that all police departments are the same! And your own source disagrees with you:

    https://www.apa.org/monitor/2016/12/cover-policing.html
    "With more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies across the country operating at the federal, state and local levels, there is no "typical" police department."

    How do you know that everyone at the Capitol protest was a fascist?
     
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    "The direct causes of Brian's injuries remain unknown" according to the Washington Post. You have no source disputing the Washington Post.
     
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    The press who was there, says this is how it went down. And nobody can prove the opposite. So you know...

    Absolutely nobody is going to believe that it's all pure coincidence that right after the protsers got beaten away that Donald just happened to walk by to have a picture taken.
    But I guess there is you....:roflol:
     
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    Of course it is. It was his idea, and they did what he told them to do. You're free to source me that the fascist mob concocted this beforehand.

    Donald told them to stand ready, I sourced they agreed with it. So where is that source of yours saying Donald did not mean what he said? It's not there is it? :roflol:

    They did so. Just like they agreed to stand ready before.

    Point remains... Biden never held such a toxic speech and called up to be violent in front of BLM or Antifa. Donald did.
     
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    Already noted I'm not going to respond to your derailing comments about BLM.

    No buts.
    https://eu.usatoday.com/story/news/...u-didnt-recover-guns-capitol-riot/4578286001/
    So far, at least three people have been charged in federal court in the District of Columbia with gun crimes related to the Capitol riot, according to the U.S. Department of Justice.

    Not this guy.

    Already noted I'm not going to respond to your derailing comments about BLM.

    my point:
    Cops do not shoot violent fascist busy killing them,
    while not having a problem shooting a black man fleeing.


    .... Still, evidence for racial disparities is growing. Most of those data focus on the treatment of black civilians by white officers. In an analysis of national police-shootings data from 2011–14, for example, Cody T. Ross, a doctoral student in anthropology at the University of California, Davis, concluded there is "evidence of a significant bias in the killing of unarmed black Americans relative to unarmed white Americans." The probability of being black, unarmed and shot by police is about 3.5 times the probability of being white, unarmed and shot by police, he found.

    Your source lobs all the police departments together with that being black and unarmed gets you 3.5 times a higher chance of being shot.
    You're proving my point. Thanks for supplying the source.
     
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    And I wrote: The word "unknown" is not there in the statement of the capital police.
    And I have already sourced what the capital police said.
     
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    The "cause of death" is not there in the statement either.
     
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    It says he was injured when he confronted the rioters, and he died from those injuries. Your claim it's unknown is absurd.
     
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    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...r-white-offenders-more-likely-to-kill-police/

    According to this Washington post story 43% of fatal attacks on police are by blacks. That is 3.4X the population.

    In the following study 60% of black suspects who are shot at by police had a gun on them vs 35% of white suspects.

    https://www.washingtonpost.com/news...e-shootings-but-the-results-may-surprise-you/

    This is the Washington post not Alex jones. So blacks are much more likely to harm police officers and more likely to be armed. Statistics that will not be finding their way onto Don Lemon's show anytime soon.
     
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    I sourced that in a video game setting, that cops in general shoot black unarmed people far more often and shoot white armed people less often. This is on par of how it goes down in reality. So cops are simply more violent against black people and less against white.

    An other study, that I also have sourced, that analyzed the body camera's, shows cops deal with black people with less respect in general.

    In an other study, also sourced, that is about almost a 100 million traffic stops... it showed that black people get FAR more interactions for just driving. Driving while black, the complaint, is a fact that goes on. And white people have a higher % of having actually done something wrong too.

    I also posted 2 sources saying white people do commit more drug related crimes, yet ... and what a surprise ... black people are arrested over it by a +300% margin more.



    So it's simply a fact that racism is institutionalized in the predominantly white police force, and black people are their target.
    "maybe" the cultural historic habit of oppressing black people from slavery to the Jim Crow laws have something to do with it.
    Plenty of white people got raised up in that toxic black suppression era and still are alive. People like Biden and Trump, for starters.
     
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    That's not CAUSE OF DEATH! Cause of death is what a CORONER finds!
     
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    How? Your claim is that the protest was NOT mostly peaceful! That's simply WRONG! It's a FACT that it was mostly peaceful, just like MANY BLM protests!

    Of course not, because you have been caught out saying that BLM riots are more justified than the Capitol riot, and you'd rather not be caught out on anything else! I don't blame you! :roflol:

    Exactly, "related to the riot." EVERYONE who was at the protest could be said to be related to the riot. EVERYTHING on Jan 6 was related to the riot. This doesn't mean that everyone in the crowd were rioters. Why do you think these guys who were arrested were only arrested on gun charges, not riot charges?

    There's no evidence that this guy was trespassing. Was he arrested for trespassing? NO! Again, no trespassing for the VAST majority of protesters, many of whom were MILES away from the Capitol building.

    BLM riots are COMPARABLE situations! So no wonder you want to avoid talking about it! No black people were shot by cops! :roflol:

    It's YOUR source by the way! And it says, "with more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies across the country operating at the federal, state and local levels, there is no "typical" police department."

    Yes, because Blake's back was turned. The cop couldn't see what he was doing.

    You keep cutting out this, and I expect that you will again:
    How do you know that everyone at the Capitol protest was a fascist?
     
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    You're free to source that the fascist mob would NOT have rioted if Trump didn't say "fight like hell!" :roflol:

    He told them to STAND BACK! :roflol:

    Okay, so you admit to assuming that the Proud Boys were MOTIVATED by Trump saying "fight like hell!"

    Totally irrelevant!
     
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    No, the press did NOT say that the peaceful protesters were the only protesters there!

    Why not? The reason that Trump had the photo taken outside that church, is because the night before,
    dirty pieces of HUMAN WASTE attempted to burn that church to the ground, but they FAILED MISERABLY! :roflol:

    So the next day, Trump wanted to showcase the church as still standing STRONG!
     
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    That's your opinion vs the opinion against the opinion of the capital police, for the sake to nitpick and score a point over a dead cop.
     

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