Unarmed woman is shot by Police in Capitol. The People Who Scream ‘Police Brutality’ Don’t Care.

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  1. notme

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    It's totally not relevant to my point. And I'm not responding to you deliberate derailing by dragging in BLM.
    And I'll be not even quoting anything BLM related from now on.

    It could have been that his arrest was NOT related to the riot, but unfortunately it is related. So I proved my point.
    As for your questions: prove your own thing.

    my point:
    Cops do not shoot violent fascist busy killing them,
    while not having a problem shooting a black man fleeing.

    I already replied to this, and you cut it out.

    I'm not here to be questioned.
     
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    I'm not making that claim, so I don't need to source it either.

    You're not responding to my question. And I already replied to this nonsense.

    It's a fact they did. We all saw it.

    Exceptionally relevant to what Donald said and what Biden said in order to compare.[/QUOTE]
     
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    If that is your claim, than quote it from a source.


    Nobody is going to believe that. There were plenty of fires, and this was the only one he just happened to walk by, by leaving a secure area which he otherwise never did to take a stroll.
     
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    The Capitol Police, who shot and killed an unarmed woman in the capitol.

    Anti-War Activist Visited By Police After Posting Embarrassing AOC Video
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    The bizarre police visit appears part of a wider trend of post-January 6 police intervention in social media criticism of members of Congress.
    Anti-war statements now get armed police officers at your door demanding justification.

    The officers had been told that he threatened to kill her.'"

    His tweet lightly criticized @AOC for a disappointing answer in response to a question about Palestine/Israel.

    His tweet: "She was asked about “peace between Israelis and Palestinians.” Her response was incredibly underwhelming, to say the very least."

    These folks in the Capitol are so thin-skinned, power-mad, and insecure, that, that little hint of disapproval will get you an armed visit by law enforcement.
    Shame on the CHP for not being smart enough to ask for a copy of the tweet.
    These folks don't just hate Asians, they hate Jews, too.

    "Asked by Michael S. Miller of the New York Jewish Community Relations Council about actions that could be taken to support movements towards peace between Jewish Israelis and Palestinians, AOC responded as follows:"

    Wentz tweeted a video of AOC’s long-winded dodge of a fundamental question about resolving the Israeli occupation of Palestine with meaningless word salad.

    Within hours of the posting, the police were at his door in CA even though "Wentz does not provide any information about his personal identity in his public Twitter profile, the social media giant provided his private details to law enforcement."

    These conspiracy between Northern CA social media mega corps, elected Democrats and Capitol Police can work very fast when you tweet a light criticism of AOC, but they are nothing but obstruction when it comes to Hunter Biden's laptop.
    She's a liar, of course, her office is in the Cannon House Office Building, which none of the trespassers entered.

    Looking like a shoe-in for the Jussie Smollet award, "AOC delegated her staff to dispatch its army of supporters to report critics en masse to Twitter and Facebook censors."
     
  5. chris155au

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    It's not my claim. It's YOUR claim. Your claim is that the peaceful protesters were the only protesters there! So then, to use your words, if that is your claim, then quote it from a source!

    I'm not saying that he "just happened to walk by." He DELIBERATELY went to the church! What's wrong with that?
     
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    Okay, so then the fascist mob would have rioted regardless if Trump didn't say "fight like hell?"

    Trump did not mean what he said because he told them to STAND BACK, which CANCELS OUT telling them to
    "stand by" which he said in the same sentence! You're forgetting that Trump is an idiot who can barely speak English!

    No, you're referring to them being motivated by "stand by", as seen in their social media posts after Trump said it.
     
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    Your claim is that the protest was NOT mostly peaceful! That's simply WRONG! It's a FACT that it was mostly peaceful! :roflol:

    These guys who were arrested were only arrested on gun charges, not riot charges. Simple!

    I cut out what you quoted from the article because it wasn't relevant! Your claim is that all police are the same, but unfortunately for you, your OWN source, says, "with more than 15,000 law enforcement agencies across the country operating at the federal, state and local levels, there is no "typical" police department."

    Okay, so you DO NOT know that everyone at the Capitol protest was a fascist, but you say it anyway! :roflol:

    Yes, because Blake's back was turned. The cop couldn't see what he was doing.
     
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    No CAUSE OF DEATH has been made public. Simple!
     
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    I gave 2 independent sources. You distrust, and claim that there might be some violent individual somewhere in there, but can't prove it... except quote an exceptionally biased source of the culprits.

    The wrong lies, that peaceful people were beaten away just before he deliberately walked to that place. There is no coincidence in that part.
     
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    You need to prove your own point.

    It doesn't cancel a thing.

    And you saying Donald did not mean what he said / barely speak English: my my.. you're desperate to fling in this nonsense.

    and stand ready.
     
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    It's related to the riot. And that is relevant to the point that a predominantly white fascist mob can be openly armed with clubs and sticks using, while they also were carrying guns... and attack the police and nobody got shot. A black man fleeing and maybe is getting a weapon gets shot multiple times in his back. And that these guys are not arrested for rioting, and making a point about that is just pushing the goalpost to something irrelevant.

    Just because there are 15,000 law enforcement agencies, doesn't mean they are all different in the way they deal with black people at all.
    And I sourced that they are not. The Stanford university researched it all, remember? Your point that these cops aren't all clones: irrelevant goalpost moving.

    Dunno why this is relevant to my point.

    So? They could not see if white people were carrying guns either, when they were physically attacking the cops with weapons.
     
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    You're just moving goalpost. You originally said:
    "The direct causes of Brian's injuries remain unknown" according to the Washington Post. You have no source disputing the Washington Post.
    And I have a source disputing that.

    Before this you said:
    The anonymous source that you're referring to disputed the fire extinguisher story
    And I was expected to believe an anonymous source over the statement of the police.

    It had nothing to do with you turning this into an official cause of death.
     
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    The official police source does NOT dispute that "the direct causes of Brian's injuries remain unknown."
    The police source doesn't say that the "direct causes" ARE known! It only says the incident he died in, which was the riot!

    The statement of the police does not say ANYTHING about a fire extinguisher! You originally mentioned "fire extinguisher" as the cause of death, which ALSO came from an anonymous source! If not, then where did you get "fire extinguisher" from?

    Looks like you misunderstood. Maybe I could have been clearer. It looks like you agree that we do not know the official cause of death. FINALLY! We got there in the end!
     
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    No evidence that the ones attacking the police had guns.

    No evidence that the ones who had guns were not peaceful protestors.

    Okay then, so you disagree with the APA who says that "there is no "typical" police department"! I thought that APA was a totally reliable source and you believe everything they say! I guess not! :roflol:

    Well, your point was that everyone at the Capitol protest was a fascist. You're wrong. Simple!

    That doesn't mean that they were REACHING for a possible gun with their back turned! And if they were armed and they were trying to kill cops as you claim, then they should have had their guns out shooting cops! But they did not! I guess they were either NOT trying to kill cops, or they were NOT armed with guns! But they cannot have been armed AND trying to kill cops!

    Looks like you agree that it's a FACT that the Capitol protest was mostly peaceful given that you did not dispute my claim that "it's a FACT that it was mostly peaceful!" :roflol:
     
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    It's VERY simple! Either the fascist mob would have rioted regardless if Trump didn't say "fight like hell", or they WOULD have! And it's VERY telling that you cannot choose one!

    Yes it does. If someone answers "yes no" to a 'yes or no' question, are you saying that you know what their answer is?

    Again, Trump did not mean what he said because he told them to STAND BACK, which CANCELS OUT telling them to "stand by" which he said in the same sentence!

    You think that Trump speaks PERFECT sentences? You haven't heard him speak much have you! :roflol:

    Trump didn't say "stand ready", he said "stand BY" after saying "stand BACK."
     
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    Your sources don't CLAIM that the peaceful protesters were the only protesters there! :roflol:

    Still promoting that conspiracy theory I see! Not even your sources are calling them "culprits!"

    And you apparently don't realise that a Congressional investigation into the matter found no wrongdoing on the part of the cops! :roflol:

    This is your assumption. I bet you don't even know the EXACT amount of time between the protesters being cleared away and his walk!
     
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    They say he got injured while engaging rioters, and he died of those injuries.
    That is the police basically saying that they got a direct cause. That it goes without the exact words you demand that must be mentioned, is just you childishly pushing the goalpost like always.

    I already told you that it does go hand in hand with the press release.
     
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    I sourced differently

    Yet the point stands that they all got in common that racist bias is all over those police departments.

    That's not my point.
    My point is that a white fascist can just attack cops, with weapons like clubs, and possible even carry guns while they are at it, but don't get shot.
    A black man gets shot when fleeing from cops.

    A white thug could have been reaching for a possible gun too, when they are beating down cops lying faced down. No shots were fired by a cop at that point.
     
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    I'm not seeing any sources. You failed to prove your point.

    And when did Trump say he did not mean this? Source it.
     
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    They did
    Adam D. DeMarco, Major, D.C. National Guard testified that law enforcement used excessive force when clearing protesters from Lafayette Square and described the use of force as "an unnecessary escalation" and the events as "deeply disturbing".[151] "From what I could observe, the demonstrators were behaving peacefully, exercising their First Amendment rights."

    ouch

    They were still shooting chemical or smoke grenades at 6:45. Donald walked to the church on 7:01
    The link is obvious. You're just childishly denying to see it.
     
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    If your sources claimed that the peaceful protesters were the only protesters there, then quote them! You won't be able to!

    He said, "from what I could observe!"

    And this is just TESTIMONY! It has nothing to do with the findings of the investigation. Again, you apparently don't realise that a Congressional investigation into the matter found no wrongdoing on the part of the cops!

    And even if the cops DID use excessive force when clearing protesters, this doesn't mean that there were not violent protesters who had to be dealt with, it just means that even though they were violent, the cops should have used less force.

    Also from the same Wikipedia article: An official testified that "officers acted with tremendous restraint in the face of severe violence" and that the decision to clear the park was entirely unrelated to the President's planned visit." OUCH! :roflol:

    It cannot be PROVEN! But guess what? It doesn't matter even if the reason that the protesters were cleared WAS for Trump's photo op! He was the President of the United States! And the President gets to go WHEREVER THE HELL HE OR SHE WANTS, just like Biden does now! If they were cleared to make way for Trump, then it means that they were in his way! They were told to move on, but they refused!
     
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    I'm not saying either way! I'm saying that it's POSSIBLE that the fascist mob would have rioted regardless if Trump didn't say "fight like hell", but how the hell can we know? Again, either the fascist mob would have rioted regardless if Trump didn't say "fight like hell", or they WOULDN'T have! And it's VERY telling that you cannot choose one!

    He didn't the exact words of "I didn't mean what I said", but he told them to stand back in the same sentence. When did Trump say that he DID mean it?
     
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    Your source didn't say that the ones attacking the police had guns!

    Again:

    No evidence that the ones attacking the police had guns.

    No evidence that the ones who had guns were not peaceful protestors.

    That's not what you said. You said that all police are the same! :roflol:

    Well it wasn't your ONLY point obviously, but it was certainly ONE of your points! Right here:
    Your point was that everyone at the Capitol protest was a fascist. You're wrong. Simple!

    Yes, they COULD have been reaching for a possible gun! So you have no clue if any actually DID?
     
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    Exactly, which is NOT a cause of death! It's merely a basic DESCRIPTION of death. If he fell down some steps after tripping on something and hit his head on the ground which killed him, his death could STILL have been described in those terms - "injured while engaging rioters, and he died of those injuries."

    Anyway, it looks like you agree that we do not know the official cause of death. FINALLY! We got there in the end!

    I never said that it had to be my exact words!

    How the hell does "fire extinguisher" go "hand in hand" with with the press release which said nothing about any fire extinguisher?
     
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    I already have done so. And when you dispute it, than you need to quote it yourself.


    Indeed. And THAT is what matters. And it's not a "just" testimony... he testified that the people were peaceful.... exactly what the press said.

    That testimony is just when the cops began beating away the protesters. It says zero about if the protesters not acted peacefully before the cops showed up and that the removal was necessary. Ouch.

    You lost your bet about me not knowing the amount of time between the police beating away the people and Donald showing up.
    And as of what you claim Donald can do. Donald is not above the constitutional 1st amendment rights of the people. :roflol:
     

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