Uncertain World: The Secret to North Korea’s Survival

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    Uncertain World: The Secret to North Korea’s Survival

    North Korea is once again at the center of the world’s attention. Its plan to launch a rocket to mark the centenary of the birth of the great leader Kim Il-sung is causing a headache for all its neighbors and the United States.
    Despite the unusual transparency of the event – Pyongyang has invited foreign journalists to attend – nobody believes that the launch is part of the country’s civilian space program rather than a ballistic missile test. Yet another cause for concern is that North Korean rockets sometimes deviate from their trajectory and simply drop at random.
    When the Soviet Union broke apart 20 years ago and the Juche regime was left without material aid, almost everyone believed that it was doomed to an early end. Its collapse was expected in 1994 when its permanent leader Kim Il-sung died, to be succeeded by his son, regarded as a playboy who was not up to the task of ruling the country. Power has once again changed hands, with the great leader’s grandson now at the helm. He is young and inexperienced, and he is also not expected to last long in his post. It will be interesting to see what he can achieve in the next several years.
    There are several reasons for the exceptional staying power of North Korean socialism. First, Pyongyang has never permitted any experimentation – unflagging repression does not leave any room for any alternative paths of development. The powers that be in North Korea have learned the lesson of other socialist countries – controlled liberalization instantly spins out of control.
    What’s more, the North Korean regime has managed to keep society closed to an unprecedented degree. There is no other state in the world as insulated from foreign influence. This makes the country almost immune to events like the Arab Spring.
    Second, at the early stages of this new era in geopolitics, Pyongyang made a far-sighted bet on a nuclear program. As a result, when the U.S. government began to pursue regime change by force at the turn of the century, North Korea was already untouchable – the risk of a suicidal nuclear retaliation with unacceptable consequences was too high. As with street gangs, having a reputation as a psycho is a good thing. Despite its strong words, South Korea is unwilling to go too far with its neighbor to the north. Nobody knows for sure whether the leaders of North Korea are prepared for a kamikaze mission, and nobody wants to test their resolve. Pyongyang understands this and actively cultivates its image as an irrational and dangerously unhinged regime.
    Third, the support of Beijing, which backed Pyongyang in Soviet times and has been its chief patron since the 1990s, is decisive. This has nothing to do with ideology – the aggressive dogma of their North Korean comrades is alien to Chinese pragmatists. But Beijing proceeds from the premise that the status quo is better than any alternative, be it a pro-American united Korea or “Greater Korea” with ambitions and nationalistic bias.

    Fourth, practically nobody is interested in Korean unification. Pyongyang has long stopped dreaming of expansion; it is too busy making an all-out bid to survive. Meanwhile, sudden unification with their North Korean brothers could bankrupt Seoul. Japan, though frightened of its reckless neighbor, would not be happy about the emergence of a united Korea even under Seoul’s aegis – the Koreans have accumulated many grievances against their neighbors, especially the Japanese, over the past hundred years.
    Curiously, Russia would actually stand to gain from Korean unification. This does not mean Moscow’s “special relationship” with North Korea is anything but pure fantasy. But unification would create a big and influential country with far fewer historical or other grievances against Russia than any of its other neighbors.
    With its newfound interest in Asia, Russia wants to diversify its ties to avoid complete dependence on Beijing. Korea could become a very convenient partner in this respect, not to mention Russia’s plans for transport and energy routes, such as the proposed trans-Korean gas pipeline, that cannot materialize because of the dispute between the two Koreas. This is why Russia is trying to shift the paradigm for a peace settlement and replace the obviously failed American approach with a new one that is based on an attempt to entice Pyongyang with economic dividends.
    Finally, the North Korean issue is not nearly as straightforward for the United States as it seems. Obviously, Washington is irritated by this unpredictable state that taunts it with nuclear tests, missile launches and cascades of new centrifuges. But in the long term, this East Asian outcast is very useful for America.
    The main challenge of the United States in the next decade is to consolidate its positions in the Asia-Pacific region. This is official policy. Strategic rivalry with China is not yet inevitable but its likelihood is growing. It would be too provocative for Americans to challenge Beijing openly by encircling China (although the U.S. has obviously beefed up diplomacy in Vietnam, Myanmar and the rest of Southeast Asia). Moreover, tightly woven economic interdependence in the region prevents the U.S. from acting head on. In the meantime, the presence of an aggressive regime in the region, which deliberately reaffirms this reputation and frightens U.S. allies in the region, is a good pretext for consolidating alliances and building up military and political presence, from ground- and sea-based systems to missile defense.

    Beijing would have been wise to moderate its North Korean client long ago by nudging them along the path to peaceful transformation. However, it’s not clear that China can do this. Everyone agrees that it is impossible to simply persuade the leadership in Pyongyang. The Western idea that Pyongyang might retreat if Beijing cuts or discontinues economic aid may be erroneous.
    North Korea’s leaders realize that their Chinese partners primarily want to avoid any escalation that might shift the status quo against Beijing’s interests. So, it’s not only America, Japan and South Korea that can be blackmailed through escalation, but China too.
    By exerting pressure, Beijing risks provoking Pyongyang into a fit of aggression against Seoul or Tokyo, which could escalate U.S. involvement in the region and backfire against China. Paradoxically, the extremely complicated relations between Asian states, which define the contours of an intense rivalry in the future, are what guarantee the survival of this anachronistic regime – the spawn of a bygone era and a failed ideology.


    Fyodor Lukyanov is Editor-in-Chief of the Russia in Global Affairs journal – the most authoritative source of expertise on Russian foreign policy and global developments

    http://en.rian.ru/columnists/20120411/172755085.html
     
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    There are many interesting points in Fyodor Lukyanov's article.

    I have to stress that a nuclear North Korea is a threat to all countries, not to mention those in the region -- the US, Japan, Russia and even China. It is obvious that it won't do any good for Russia to have more and more nuclear states in its proximity.

    It is certainly no comfort for the US, Europe, Australia and other Western nations if the "unruly teenager" could send nuclear missiles all the way to their soils.

    North Korea could be another Vietnam to turn its guns back on China. If relations with China turn sour in the future, it won't be surprise to find North Korea throw a few nuclear bombs at China. It is akin to a sorcerer signing an unholy pact with the Devil who will return to haunt him in the future.

    There may be many South Koreans who feel the pride of associating with a Korean nuclear bomb. However, the chance of a second Korean War is high, and when it happens, the two regions on the Korean Peninsula will turn to rubble. South Korea's economic progress would disappear overnight in the event of a war. As shown in the Korean War, North Korea will show no mercy to its southern compatriots whether they support the communist regime.

    Please read the latest news on the failure of North Korea's rocket launch: http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=243474

    North Korea acting out like 'unruly teenagers': Clinton
    http://www.google.com/hostednews/afp/article/ALeqM5iFs3JUIO-FGOAPh1Ph7CSCppWDvQ
     
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    Like his father who was regarded as a playboy "not up to the task of ruling the country", this "young and inexperienced" guy could, to the surprise of many people, "last long in his post". He just has to follow his father's road map in building up the country's nuclear arsenal. He may behave unpredictably to show that he is fit for his father's shoes.

    In my opinion, North Korea's short-term goal is survival, but its long-term goal is the unfinished job of the Korean War -- unification with the South under the rule of the Kim Dynasty or at least, the communist regime. This explains its unwavering pursuit of nuclear weapons. In order to persuade North Korea to give up its nuclear weapons, the US may eventually accept Korean unification under the terms of a democratic government, but the North will definitely insist on its own terms of unification. It is doubtful whether North Korea will ever surrender its nuclear weapons because they would be too advanced and tempting for the communist regime to give up.

    Like China, the US would find North Korea both a benefit and a liability. A nuclear North Korea with ballistic missile capability would definitely be a threat to the US. A nuclear North Korea that successfully defies the US and other nuclear powers will tempt and encourage other smaller countries to follow its footsteps in acquiring nuclear weapons. Currently, Iran is a good example.

    As China is so obsessed with using North Korea as a buffer state, it will prop up and defend the North Korean regime at all costs. Thus China is held hostage by North Korea, and could only call for "restraint" whenever the "unruly teenager' causes mischief.

    .....Paradoxically, the extremely complicated relations between Asian states, which define the contours of an intense rivalry in the future, are what guarantee the survival of this anachronistic regime – the spawn of a bygone era and a failed ideology - pursuing a brilliant strategy of calculated risk and bold brinkmanship.
     
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    Not quite true. Do not forget that Kim Jong-un is not ruled by N.Korea but the people in military uniforms who always stay behind, in the shade .They are a Real Power of N.Korea. Kim is a kind of folding screen in other words he is frontpage. These people manage N.Korea, and these people have made the wrong choice. Kim looks like as a quite shy teenager ... Boat of power in N.Korea beginning to lose stability ... All around thought that in N.Korea permanent famine, but it is not quite true.
    In that country thriving shadow market that is a sign of fatigue regime . Because the Power realized that is the only way to avoid a revolution. By the way, How many American tourists been in N.Korea?
    Russian tourists often visit that Country .
     
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    Granny wants to know what dey doin', what's goin' on?...
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    North Korea's leader still a mystery
    October 24th, 2012 - The United States and South Korea still have no clear insight on the new leader of North Korea, Kim Jong Un, nearly a year after he replaced his father.
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    What is going on inside North Korea?
    October 25th, 2012 - In the famously opaque world of North Korean politics, the ongoing leadership transition is in some ways proving more dagger than cloak with reports of executions and purges of top military officials in recent days.
     
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    Granny can find out the secret by peeping into the bedroom, but hopefully the goin' on won't be interrupted midway especially if they find a monkey staring through the window on Halloween day. :camera:
     
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    Granny says purt soon dey gonna be flingin' one o' dem missiles over here...
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    Report: North Korea upgrading rocket launch site
    February 14, 2013 WASHINGTON — North Korea is upgrading one of its two major missile launch sites, apparently to handle much bigger rockets, and some design features suggest it is getting help from Iran, a U.S. research institute said Thursday.
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    Grandpa says purt soon dey gonna be flingin' one o' dem missiles over China too... :oldman:

    "Some in Beijing, recalling China’s past history with Russia and Vietnam, worry that North Korean nuclear weapons might even one day pose a threat to China."

    Please read the article headlined "Global Insights: Parsing China’s North Korea Policy" at http://missilethreat.com/global-insights-parsing-chinas-north-korea-policy/
     
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    Granny says dat lil' Kim is cruisin' fer a bruisin'...
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    North Korea annuls pacts with South, cuts hotline
    March 8, 2013 — North Korea said Friday that it was scrapping a non-aggression pact and all other agreements aimed at easing tensions with South Korea and severing their emergency hotline.
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    Grandpa says dat untamed dog may lead its idiotic master by the nose to the edge of the abyss...
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    No. Korea's threat is it's unpredictability...
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    US officials say North Korea poses serious threat
    March 12, 2013 WASHINGTON — An unpredictable North Korea, with its nuclear weapons and missile programs, stands as a serious threat to the United States and East Asia nations, the director of National Intelligence warned Tuesday in a sober assessment of worldwide threats.
     
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    Don't be confused, old woman. Like the shepherd boy crying "Wolf", the "wolf" will arrive one day.:fingerscrossed:

    One way to find out whether the North Korean regime will launch a war in the future is to look at the economic development of the country. What is the point for the regime to develop the economy, to build houses, facilities, infrastructure, factories, amusement parks, etc. for its people if it knows that whatever it builds will be destroyed or perished in a war?

    Kim Jong-un and his predecessors have/had the same mentality as Genghis Khan and Napoleon. For them, the lives of their people and soldiers bear no value. What is most important to them is to achieve their military goal at all costs. They do not hesitate to gamble away the lives of all their people in the battle fields.

    If a second Korean War were to take place, South Korea will have more to lose than the North. Everything that the South Koreans have painfully and laboriously constructed since the end of the Korean War will be razed to the ground. On the other hand, the North Korean people will have nothing much to lose -- only their lives and the last clothes on their bodies.

    In the Korean War (June 25, 1950 to July 27, 19530), more than 33,000 US soldiers died in the conflict, and 415,000 South Korean soldiers were killed. It is estimated that 2,000,000 North Koreans and Chinese died. If a second Korean War were to take place, the casualties on both sides would definitely be higher because of the use of modern and more powerful weapons of mass destruction such as missiles, aircraft, etc. besides not ruling out the use of nuclear weapons.

    As seen in the regular pro-North Korea demonstrations in the South, there is no lack of admirers and supporters for the North Korean regime among the South Koreans. However, as shown in the heavy civilian casualties in the Korean War, the North Korean military will show no mercy to the South Koreans, whether they are supporters or not if they invade the South again.

    Compared to his predecessors, the current North Korean leader is the most dangerous because of his youth. There are at least 50 years for him to harass the South and plan his military moves. In additioin, there is also the great temptation for him to leave his mark in history by making his final strike before entering the grave.

    Only when North Korea voluntarily destroys its own nuclear weapons and moves on the road of economic development for the benefit of its own people, then we can be certain that the world is a safer place.

    Casualties In Korean War
    http://legal-dictionary.thefreedictionary.com/Korean+War+casualties
     
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    Thanks, grandma, for liking my post. Then I shall curse the North Korean regime more often.
     
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    What sequester?...
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    Air Force says B-2 mission over South Korea cost $2.1M
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    Keepin' it in the family no matter how many have to starve...
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    North Korea plans gilded mausoleum renovation despite food shortage
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    North Korea keeps secret base for ICBMs, report says
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    Retired USFK Head: North Korea Collapse May Happen Sooner
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    Sanction where the money leads to...
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    To Curb North Korea's Nuclear Program, Follow the Money
    9/22/16 - North Korea’s fifth nuclear test on September 9 sparked a new round of questions about how to contain this rapidly growing threat. Like clockwork, the United States and its northeast Asian allies are already preparing another dose of sanctions.
     
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    North Korean Nuclear, missile tests show 'qualitative' improvement...
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    http://www.wsj.com/articles/north-korean-defections-swell-as-political-elite-look-south-1484563973


    WORLD ASIA
    North Korean Defections Swell as Political Elite Look South
    South Korea’s unification minister expects defections by members of Pyongyang’s elite to weaken regime
    Hong Yong-pyo, South Korea's minister of unification says many North Koreans are leaving the country not just because they are starving, but because they want a better life.
    Hong Yong-pyo, South Korea's minister of unification says many North Koreans are leaving the country not just because they are starving, but because they want a better life. PHOTO: SOUTH KOREAN MINISTRY OF UNIFICATION
    By JONATHAN CHENG
    Updated Jan. 16, 2017 5:50 p.m. ET
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    SEOUL—More North Koreans are fleeing their country for political reasons, rather than economic reasons, and an increase in defections by Pyongyang’s elite will ultimately weaken Kim Jong Un’s regime, South Korea’s unification minister said in an interview.

    Hong Yong-pyo, who heads the Ministry of Unification, expects to see more defectors like Thae Yong Ho, the North Korean deputy ambassador in London, whose defection to Seoul last year was the most high-profile in nearly two decades. The support of North Korea’s top government officials is crucial to ensuring Mr. Kim’s continued rule.

    A crippling famine triggered the first major wave of defectors from North Korea about 20 years ago, but many now say that they are leaving the country “not just because they are starving, but for a better life, and for freedom and for their children’s education,” Mr. Hong said.

    The cumulative number of defectors has swelled to more than 30,000, making them a sizable and growing community in the South. Last year, South Korea’s President Park Geun-hye urged North Koreans to defect to the south to seek a better life—an unprecedented call for any South Korean leader.

    A looming change in government in Seoul could derail that approach. Ms. Park was recently impeached over an influence-peddling scandal and polls show a candidate supportive of warmer North-South ties is likely to take power soon. The progressive administrations that governed South Korea between 1998 and 2008 tended to take a more conciliatory view toward Pyongyang, and de-emphasized support for defectors.


    But Mr. Hong said the political divide over support for defectors is long gone. “Whoever becomes the president, whichever party has the power, by and large we have a consensus that we should assist and support defectors as they enter South Korean society,” Mr. Hong said.

    Mr. Hong said that even a government that seeks friendlier ties with Pyongyang would be constrained in part by a string of United Nations sanctions in response to the North’s recent nuclear tests. Those sanctions bar flows of money to North Korea.

    “People for political purposes can talk about the necessity of economic cooperation with North Korea, but the reality is quite different,” Mr. Hong said.

    Mr. Hong acknowledged that many who flee North Korea fall between the cracks in hypercompetitive South Korea, and vowed new measures to better integrate the new arrivals from the North. Mr. Hong’s time to introduce such measures is limited, however, as a new government will take power within the next year, and possibly sooner if Ms. Park is removed from office.


    The number of defectors from North Korea rose to 1,417 people last year, according to Unification Ministry data, after several years of falling numbers that South Korean officials attributed to heightened border security by the North. “We need to wait and see the trend more, but security in the border region didn’t get weaker, so it’s clear that people’s desire for a better life has increased,” Mr. Hong said.

    Mr. Thae, the North’s former deputy ambassador to the U.K., defected not for economic reasons, but “for his son’s education,” Mr. Hong said. The rising number of elite defectors, including more than a dozen workers at North Korea’s overseas restaurants who arrived in South Korea last year, “shows how unsettled the Kim Jong Un system is internally,” Mr. Hong said.

    “Kim Jong Un is obsessed with developing nuclear, but because of sanctions, they are suffering from a shortage of foreign currency, and Pyongyang is pressuring those in foreign countries to bring in more money,” Mr. Hong said.

    Despite the increase in defections, the political leadership in North Korea appears to be on firmer footing than it has in recent years, says Kevin Gray, a professor in international relations and an expert on inter-Korean relations at the University of Sussex in the U.K.

    “I would be very wary about placing too much emphasis on what these elite defections mean for the stability of the leadership,” says Mr. Gray. “The number has increased but the numbers are quite small. It’s not like what we were seeing in Eastern Europe [during the Cold War], when people were literally abandoning the regime.”

    North Korean defectors prepare to release balloons carrying leaflets and a banner denouncing North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Sept. 15, 2016
    North Korean defectors prepare to release balloons carrying leaflets and a banner denouncing North Korean leader Kim Jong Un on Sept. 15, 2016 PHOTO: AHN YOUNG-JOON/ASSOCIATED PRESS
    Because more information is flowing into the isolated North through cellphones, thumb drives and the Internet, Mr. Hong says North Koreans have a greater understanding than ever about conditions in the South before they leave.

    A survey of 36 North Koreans inside the country conducted on behalf of the Washington-based Center for Strategic and International Studies found that roughly nine in 10 read foreign media at least once a month, despite rigid controls on North Koreans’ access to outside information.

    “Many North Koreans decide to come to South Korea because of what they see through the media, but life on television is very different from reality,” Mr. Hong said.

    Write to Jonathan Cheng at jonathan.cheng@wsj.com
     

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