Under trump, national debt tops $21 trillion for first time ever

Trump will have the USA forgive its own loans and start the slate from zero before he leaves office but after the wall is built.

 

The problem will never be corrected as long as manufacturers are not competitive in the marketplace due to high employee and
materials expense in our country, along with the questionable quality of the product that is made here. Trump's efforts consist of raising tariffs on imported goods which is causing likewise tariffs on our exported goods and threatening companies that have to move out or close their doors because of Trump's actions. And he jumps right in with threats against other countries instead of quiet negotiations. Is this "The Art of the Deal?" The expert deal maker? HA! Our country is heading for recession due to Trump's conduct. Does he take any advice?
Hell no, because he "knows more than the generals." Reagan knew what he didn't know and brought in experts to advise him whether
they voted for him or not. Trump doesn't know what he doesn't know and brings in "yes men" who voted for him and tell him what he wants to hear and not what he needs to hear. There is indeed a swamp and it resides in the Whitehouse.

 

Blaming liberals again with absolutely no knowledge of the truth. I'm a liberal and I NEVER supported Bush's war in Iraq--not a single day of it. I knew it was based on lies from the time they announced Sadam Hussein was working with Osama Ben Laden in terrorism. I knew that could never happen. Osama Ben Laden was far too extreme a Muslim purist to ever work with Saddam Hussein on anything. I knew Bush and his administration were lying, so I never believed any of the excuses they used to start the war.

I supported going after Osama Ben Laden in Afghanistan, but I knew the Soviet Union had tried for almost a decade to old Afghanistan into a Soviet satellite, but failed miserably. I also knew no aggressor in history ever succeeded in conquering Afghanistan, so I doubted Bush's chances. I never wanted the U.S. to stay there as it has. It's all been a waste from the outset--a quagmire. Still is.

 

It was a part of the nuclear agreement that Iran and America signed. Simple.

 

Whatever you want to call it is ok with me.

 

Ransom it is

 

Bush believed it but he certainly was goaded by the left to push him along

 

American workers cannot survive on the wages paid to chinese peasants or north korean slave labor

Nor should they be expected to

And dont forget the added expense of worker safety and environmental protection that china does not have

 

No the war in Iraq was bushes mistake

Its the bleeding heart belief in nation building is where “compassionate” conservatives and liberals overlap

Along with the demand for a more perfect and fair war where no innocent people are killed or injured even if it means more casualities for our troops

As for afghanistan we seem to agree that the muslims there are far too backward to adopt western political and social ideas

Bush should have gone in with full force, killed every militant we found and then withdraw after 6 months wiithout building a single road or hospital or civilian gas station

 

I am a compassionate person, and feel deeply for those caught in senseless wars--a description which fits most wars. Wars are cruel enough without expanding their impact with undue cruelty. Cruelty solves no problems, but creates new enemies. The world doesn't need more enemies, but it could certainly use more compassion.

 

It was not “undue” cruility but the necessity to root out muslim terrorists that took us into afghanistan

We just stayed too long and tried to reform a backward society that did not want to join the 21st Century

 

Inserting democracy into third world countries was a pillar of his Presidency. He didn't need any goading. I'm certain that the Dems supported it.

 

Agreed, and that is why our manufacturing companies have moved. However, paying a high school drop-out $90,000 a year plus benefits is a bit much, yes? And that was what was happening in the auto industry and probably in other industries, along with featherbedding, violent strikes, etc. Unfortunately, environmental protection is necessary and is the result of abuse by our companies. Of course, Trump has eliminated these protections which will result in abuse again.

 

No. They gave up their nuclear ambitions. You know the ones Trump gave back.
It was their money anyway.

 

Yep. You could see we were in trouble the day we started saying Taliban instead of Al Qaeda.

 

No its not too much

If they have the skill to do the job - and modern manufacturing does require still for many positions - they deserve their pay just as much as the government worker does

As for environmentalism you have not ended pollution but merely exported it along with American jobs

 

[QUOTE="ronv, post: 1069513730, member: 77428"]No. They gave up their nuclear ambitions. You know the ones Trump gave back.
It was their money anyway.[/QUOTE]
Only a fool believes that

 

There is a great deal of truth in your post.

 

Is that like "you can keep your doctor and save money"?

 

Yeah people still repeat that a decade later. But trump is such a snowflake you cant mention any of the plenty of promisses already broken.

 

No one wants to cut entitlements. The problem occurs when Republicans propose reducing the rate of growth from 5% to 4% and the Dems run TV ads showing Republicans pushing an old woman in a wheelchair off a cliff.

 

Impressive stock market run, low unemployment, strong economy. And you have so many reasons to complain.

What broken promises are you referring to? Name a politician that didn't have any broken promises.

 

When did I complain about those?

ON the contrary thats the same as under obama and there also I didnt have an issue with it, unlike most that support trump .

From dealing wth china to his tax returns , from everybody getting a tax cut to eliminating the estate tax plnety of broken promisses .

Your point being that trump is a bad politician?

 

Republican death panels have returned thanks to Trump.

 

I suggest Ron Paul but i might be wrong. I remember saying he will run only once for pres and did exactly that. Honest politicians cannot beat the game, thats more accurate