Under what conditions we need a revolution/civil war?

Not against us they didn't - the war we fought with the north, we won.
Objective met, mission complete.

 

WE lost the Vietnam war because we did not have the fight in the dog to win, and winning was not the objective. And we LOST, the North won. All these men and a few women Americans lost to bolster Johnson's career.

Usually TOG-6, we think the same, but not this time. We lost our asss. There was no mission accomplished.

 

Wrong as hell. We did not lose. The objective was to stop the spread of communism. Also, do you want to check the casualties? The United States lost 1/5th they did. And it was in THEIR own country with THEIR dug in bunkers.

We lost? LOL

 

57,000 approx deaths to stop the spread of communism; which apparently didn't work since within two years of our honorable withdrawal, the north ended up overrunning the south and now you have one country, all communist. This is what happens when you allow politicians to run wars.

 

The objective wasn't to stop the spread within Vietnam, is was to stop the spread around Vietnam. Neighboring nations, surrounding forces...

Plus, the US killed so many of them that they had to retreat to the underground bunkers. Not only that, we also chased them out of neighboring nations.

How does that mean, we "lost"?

Explain how the US lost

 

The mission was to stop Communism. Did the Vietnam War cost the USSR and China so much that they changed their policies? I would say yes. The Berlin Wall came down, the USSR broke up, China became capitalistic, Cuba became irrelevant. Even Vietnam does not have a Communist Government.

 

Yes, we lost.

 

WE lost because who ended up the Viet Nam? Did anyone tell you it was not us? Checkmate.

 

There was no formal surrender by the enemy; no articles of surrender were ever signed, not even an armistice was signed off on.

 

North Vietnam conquered South Vietnam.

we lost.

 

In 1973, we forced the norht to the table and forced them to sigh a treaty. After this, we left, and the South was a free nation.
How did we lose; how did we not meet our objective?

 

...and then the North invaded and conquered South Vietnam

 

Pol Pot started a communist regime in Cambodia not long after. I don't see what the issue is. You can't expect to win every war. At the end of the day, the United States is still a much stronger nation than Vietnam, even if it wasn't able to meet it's objective in that particular country.

 

Obviously. What would cause it would be a complete breakdown in society. As an example, I think Venezuela is ripe for a revolution.

 

In truth we have a revolution going on now. Not a straight forward shoot it out type of revolution, but a sneaky, weaselly, stab them in the back type of revolution.

We have a group in this country that will not accept our established political process. They will not accept our legally elected president. They incite violence and hate against our POTUS and his supporters. They send their masked dogs to spread violence. They encourage resistance to the rule of law and law enforcement. They demonize those who resist them. They encourage illegal voters to vote. They smear, slander, and intimidate our POTUS, his family and staff using unverified evidence and unanimous sources. Their media toadies circulate biased stories and outright lies. These same media sources refuse to acknowledge the good that is happening under this POTUS.

This revolution will not succeed but it will leave scars that will not heal.

 

They ban the guns = war.

 

I would love to see a group of people with sniper type paintball guns (non-lethal) take shots at these things when they start destroying property, or violence. Let them know that it could have been a different outcome....the worst they could get charged with if caught is assault.

 

There are no winners of war, just casualties on both sides. Both lost.

 

They did indeed, however, they did because the Democrats stayed the South in the back and left them out in the cold. The Democrat are still laughing at the hundreds of thousand of South Vietnamese that died when the South fell.

 

When the police/military ignore the 4th and 5th Amendments, we need to start considering one.

 

For argument's sake (I fully agree with you btw), if that were the case, and the US military was violating such rights...how would you go up against such forces?

 

Well considering there are probably 400-600 million guns in the U.S., no he's not claiming that.

 

Guerilla warfare.

 

As much as the pitch fork fighting worked back in the 1700 and 1800s. If you're going up against thermal, geospatial, nightvision, drones, bombers, and the world's strongest military fighting force...I don't see them winning that one.

 

Define winning. The economy would be rendered to a standstill, and eventually the military would run out of resources. The government couldn't win, nobody would win, everybody would lose.