UNHOLY ALLIANCE: Did US Intelligence Agencies Collude With Clinton To Influence The 2016 Election?

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  1. Wehrwolfen

    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    UNHOLY ALLIANCE:
    Did US Intelligence Agencies Collude With Clinton To Influence The 2016 Election?


    By John D. O'Connor
    07/10/2018

    As controversial as the Steele dossier has become, it may well prove key to a political corruption scandal far more insidious than anyone has presently suggested. To be sure, critics have blasted its seeming partisan falsity, and many also have declaimed that it enabled the FISA warrant to spy on the Trump campaign. And there is evidence that the opening of the “Russiagate” investigation was itself premised strongly on this “salacious and unverified” report. But little attention has been paid to the role of American intelligence agencies in its creation, which now is appearing substantial, and which would implicate a governmental conspiracy making Watergate look like child’s play.
    This is not to minimize the profoundly troubling questions that this dossier has already presented, including those about the legitimacy of using “human sources” (i.e., spies) to entrap the opposition candidate during a presidential campaign. These questions are being doggedly pursued by Congress, and fought tooth and nail by a DOJ/FBI whose present and former officials face serious jeopardy. For instance, any official who knowingly presented a materially false FISA application, for warrant or extensions, should be guilty, for one, of obstruction of justice under 18 U.S.C. §1505.
    But reasonable inferences to be drawn from the known evidence suggest that governmental wrongdoing may be even more darkly sinister than DOJ critics presently imagine, encompassing possible criminality so pervasive and widespread that every top DOJ and FBI official serving in 2016 may face discipline or even indictment. The basis for this pandemic criminality would be the participation of the DOJ, FBI and CIA, not just in the questionable use of the partisan, false Clinton-funded Steele Dossier, but in its planning and development, an issue not yet been meaningfully explored.
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    In short, if the Steele dossier did not simply come over the transom, but was in fact developed in coordination with them, then Comey, Brennan and Clapper, along with their underlings, should face serious consequences.

    Source: http://dailycaller.com/2018/07/09/d...&utm_campaign=atdailycaller&utm_medium=Social

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    FBI, DOJ, State Department, CIA, Brennan, Clapper, GCHQ, Brexit, Obama? Could this explain why no one wants this can of worms actually opened?
    We ALL know full well the HUSSEIN Junta tried to and is still undermining a sitting president. This is NOT a conspiracy theory. We all know the facts. Evidence shows Peter Strzok and the FBI involvement is just the tip of the iceberg. When I make that statement, I do not make it lightly! The evidence is overwhelming that the Obama Admin, sitting members of Congress and the Clinton Campaign conspired to rig and steal an election by destroying their political opponents illegally and criminally used government agencies. That is the textbook definition of a coup d' etat. It failed and people should be brought to account.
    Everyone involved should be tried for sedition and treason in conspiring with foreign agents if that is proven and sent to prison for the rest of their lives.
    They've committed Sedition and Treason deserving to be tried be jailed at a minimum for their crimes against this country.
    What is really ugly is that this could happen in the United States of America.
     
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    thinkitout Well-Known Member

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    And yet, ALL INVESTIGATION into the Trump campaign's possible use of influence to its benefit should be halted immediately. . . . And shoot the messenger!!!

    Are you too biased to smell the hypocrisy surrounding your righteous indignation???
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only if you throw out the premise that the weaponized agencies of the Obama administration did not enter into the conspiracy to get Hillary into the presidential race by rigging it against Bernie Sanders and then against any Republican nominee for the presidency. Do you really believe that if it were anyone other Republican choice other than Trump in 2016 this would not have happened? Seems the Emails between Strzok and Page going back to 2015 reveal differently.
    Obama, the DNC and Hillary campaign including the cabal knew they had problems and to ensure a Hillary presidential win, they rigged the election and failed. Now they should pay for their criminal actions.
     
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    Another batshit crazy OP by this poster. This bullshit belongs in the conspiracy forum.
     
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    Wehrwolfen Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Brennan and Clapper: Elder Statesmen or Serial Fabricators ...
    washingtonsblog.com/2017/11/70120.html
    Russia-gate is not about ... And Brennan and Clapper are critical players in the ... Clapper perjured himself before Congress by denying NSA’s unconstitutional ...
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    How Extensive is BRENNAN / DEEP STATE Corruption ...
    https://americandigitalnews.com/2018/03/20/how-extensive-is...
    RUSSIAGATE Is Brennan, ... Brennan presumably would have shared his “suspicions” and initiatives with James Clapper, ... Former FBI expert claims John Brennan .
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    Russiagate Hoax Leader John Brennan Is in Serious Legal ...
    https://russia-insider.com/en/russiagate-hoax-leader-john-brennan...
    Brennan is alleged to have cooperated with the FBI to plant officials in the Trump campaign and frame Donald Trump with the Russiagate Hoax. This is not a joke. The American government under Obama actively conspired to interfere in its own election and suppress political rivals.
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    Russiagate: Spooks Spooking Themselves
    https://popularresistance.org/russiagate-spooks-spooking-themselves
    In December 2016, Halper and Dearlove both resigned from the Cambridge Intelligence Seminar because they suspected that a company footing some of the costs was tied up with Russian intelligence – suspicions that Christopher Andrew, former chairman of the Cambridge history department and the seminar’s founder, regards as “absurd” as well.
     
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    Do you really believe ANY of these alleged conspiracies that you post regularly, the authors of which claim these outrageous accusations are gospel truth, backed up by undeniable proof from irrefutable sources???. . . . Yet even when these premature speculations are disproven, you continue to defend them.

    The only credibility that you continue to reinforce is in your own blind loyalty to the conservative mantra. . . . You are merely "preaching to the choir", who are ALREADY brainwashed.

    Facts are backed up by proof, not wishful biased speculation.
     
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    I find when a news article asks a shocking question in its title the answer tends to be no.
     
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    yes, we have already established the OP is batshit crazy nonsense. You didn't have to double down on it.
     
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    Actually, I'd love to await Horowitz's report on this possibility. Because it's alot simpler than "Trump colluded with the Russians". It has far less holes in it. And in fact, there's a strong basis for the conclusion reached not used in the article.

    I always wondered why the Senate Intel Committee refused to grill Levy/Simpson, on the question of the Dossier's sources. Instead, after repeated attempts they continued to let Levy/Simpson speak through their teeth on two points: That A: They sent some email/letter that outlined the questions they'd allow the Committee to ask(which in of itself is absurd for a witness to demand certain questions asked or not asked.) and then B: The claim that sources would be at risk/dead.

    That B claim, in light of this speculation now seems a lot more than mere hyperbole, but perfect cover-up. If the "sources" aren't real, you wouldn't want the committee finding that out. And the committee cannot logically investigate whether or not sources are dead, when said sources aren't even known to them.

    All the more reason to bring Simpson/Levy back, UNDER OATH, IN PUBLIC with the one question they refused to answer: Who was Christopher Steele's sources. Any refusal to answer should be seen in contempt.
     
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    If there is something worth investigating I’m all for it. Wrong is wrong no matter the perpetrator.
    I’ll reserve judgment for when the facts are clear. Click-bait news headlines have no credibility with me regardless of the source. Get the facts and report them. Prior to that it’s just noise.
     
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    I'd love to get the facts too. Unfortunately, to get them we must rely on a Congress that was openly lied to(see above) and doesn't even recognize its own deceit lol. From the beginning, the blind was leading the blind on this investigation if we presume it was always on the up and up.

    I'd have given Flynn limited immunity, I would've wanted his testimony. I would've held Simpson/Levy in contempt for not answering, even before this article since the sources are germane areas of inquiry for the intel committee(if I were on it.).

    If the POTUS didn't want to testify to Mueller, I would extend an invitation for him to testify to Congress since it'd amount to the same thing. The POTUS can of course refuse to testify to Congress, but such a refusal would turn the political winds against him.

    There's so much I would've done differently to get to the truth. Namely, pursue all leads(of all accusations) no matter where they lead me.
     
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    Sure. Usually a better way to do anything when you have the benefit of hindsight. I’ll still wait for the truth and facts to come out before I make any judgments.
     
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    Some of it is hindsight yes, some of it is plain common sense. For example, the only reason you wouldn't give limited immunity to Flynn is if you didn't believe the testimony would be sufficient. But he was your first open witness. If you were building a criminal case, or a case of inquiry you'd want to bring your first witness in.

    Hell, it's a lot less than what HRC got. And the IG report openly admits that their lawyers actively deceived the FBI! At the beginning, missteps were taken(that were likely largely innocent) that led to this outcome today in America.
     
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    Both Brennan and Clapper have been caught in lies referring to RussiaGate and government involvement in the Dossier. Seems you've been eating the Democrat batshit too often and it's caused your dementia.


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    yes, we have already established the OP is batshit crazy nonsense. You didn't have to TRIPPLE down on it.
     
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    You don't seem to feel that way about the B.S. collusion of Trump/Russia conspiracy forums.
     
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    There was no collusion.

    Obama ordered them to do it.
     
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    Nope, this doesn't work anymore in the current political climate.

    One Party decided to "convict" others before anything was proven at all.

    There is more "smoke" here than there is in the Russia Collusion investigation for sure. I think they are both likely stupid avenue to go down, but the precedence is set.

    Republicans, right or wrong, will use the Democrats obsession with the Russia Collusion to now have their "own turn".

    Precedence says they should have the same ability to drag this through court that the Dems did
     
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    I can only speak for me, man.
     
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    That's fine, I am just speaking for about 30% of the country who is SUPER pissed off about the anti-Trump investigations and is now going to have "their turn".

    As stupid as it is, trying to fight the wave is hypocritical compared to what has been goin on the last year and a half
     
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    uh, because there is actual evidence of trump campaign members colluding with Russia, lol. See, that's how this works. When one extraordinary claim has evidence to support it, it's legitimate. When one claim is pure batshit crazy nonsense, like most of the threads the thread creator makes, that is an entirely different thing.
     
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    In the fury by both Democrat and Republican career politicians in Congress that someone outside their circle became president, the investigation was limited to ONLY investigating Trump's campaign and NOT the broader question of illegal influences - foreign and domestic - in the election. Congress - both parties - literally voted to attack Trump, while also voting to protect everyone else no matter how criminal their conduct.
     
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    Sometimes, there are just too many dots for folks with a superficial view of the world to understand. That's why liberals seem to have latched onto the Russian collusion theory. Because, well, it's easy. Not many dots, some salacious sex exploits to keep them entertained, etc.

    The real problem is what many of us have been saying/writing since the election itself. The left simply never expected that they would ever get caught, because, the queen was anointed prior to anyone ever casting a ballot. It was easy. The Rino establishment had all of their chits lined up to leverage a significantly fault filled ms Clinton, and they expected that they would get to force ms Clinton into accepting a "few" of their demands here and there, all in the name of not having to be actually responsible or govern. The left were all too enamored with the idea of a first female president. No other motivation necessary to turn a blind eye to the egregious illegal acts of the DNC against their very socialist voice, the Bern.

    Obama had his preference, as well as all the evidence necessary to continue to leverage Hillary as President. The play was all prescripted. Except for one thing. Folks weren't actually willing to ignore all of the abuse of power, the active weaponization of the agencies against the Bern, and then Trump. The real issue for the democrats was that they overplayed their hand, tipping the real glimpses of tyranny that laid just under the surface. So, the new plan was to simply gin up (using the actual intel services that had already proven to be reliable and pliable to the administration -- because they then got leverage over said Obama administration ) a new treason. Actively using the services to attempt to entrap an opponent in a presidential campaign. Yes, this is truly bigger than Watergate every attempted to claim. This was no less the use of the federal government, in concerted effort, to attack a political opponent to ensure that what would have been the absolute weakest president ever would then enter office beholden to everyone.

    You might not like Trump but you at least have to like the above less. And once you determine that the set of facts above is, for the best interests of the nation, something that has to be exposed for the criminality that it describes. Everyone involved, from Obama to Hillary, to the agency heads, to the actual field players is responsible and answerable to the people of our nation for their crimes. The congress of this nation must take the necessary action to bring all of these folks into court, to be tried for their collective treason to this nation.
     
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    I'm pretty sure that no-one has been convicted of collusion with Russia to influence a campaign.
     
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    pretty sure I never said anyone was convicted
     

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