Union and ALP escort agency

NSW police have said they will not be investigating the matter unless they receive a complaint from the Health Services Union. Why isnt the Gillard Labor government taking the position that the truth needs to be investigated? Isnt this abuse of their power that they let seemingly illegal activity go unchecked because they have the capacity to stop a complaint being made (by the HSU) about the apparant illegal activity. I think they need to set a good example for the community otherwise they are seemingly supporting lies and misuse of funds and fraud. Would they be doing this is the Gillard government didnt rely on her one seat majority and reports are a byelection in his seat would see her lose that seat and the one seat majority.

No use pointing out a lib backbencher has been charged with shoplifting because that doesnt address the point which is the ALP, the Australian Government, is seemingly deliberatly hiding illegal activity for its own selfish political interests. If your going to use Union money to pay for prostitutes, hotels and for an unrelated political career campaign, and then get the political party to pay your legal expenses when you try and hide the fact, I think it needs to be investigated properly. In fact they should investigate all Unions for this sort of thing because they clearly have no oversight yet act as agents of the ALP (government).

 

Just read good news that the NSW Police have started an investigation after recieving a complaint from the Liberal shadow attorney-general George Brandis.

In the face of so much evidence, if he is found guilty has Julia done enough to step sideways and claim his lies misled her or would she be seen as a self serving hypocritical union lacky.

 

Where did you hear that the govt can stop anyone from making a complaint to the police?

Why not? Senator Mary Jo Fosher is a voting member of the senate,how does that make her(alleged)dishonesty off limits?
Thompson was an employee of the HSU when the alleged misuse of a credit card occured.
If a former employee of a company is alleged to have spent company funds inappropriately,and later joined the Liberal party would they have to sack him?
This scenario is even more ridiculous seeing as though he has been neither charged nor convicted of anything.

 

I didnt say anyone couldn't make a complaint. Anyone can complain to Police but it doesnt mean they will do anything about it. I think only a victim can file charges though. Apparently earlier yesterday morning NSW Police said they would not investigate unless the HSU themselves complained/accused/filed charges etc. I'm assuming its because HSU was the victim of the alleged fraudulant use of their funds.

Its blurring the issues here to distract from the topic. She was investigated as per normal, wheras this topic is about the Australian PM, Government, ALP and HSU looking like they are taking measures to hide potential illegal activity. Mary Jo Fisher's case has no similarity to that in the slightest. The OP was talking about the lengths the ALP will go to protect its proverbial unchained dogs (some parts of the Union movement).

Luckily NSW Police did decide to investigate as I posted in the follow up post to the OP, but that doesnt change the fact that the HSU who was the alleged victim of the fraud seems happy to let this go because any pursuit of it would be counterproductive to the ALP. That is the topic of the thread.

I notice the ALP now uses hypothetical situations of near equivilance to try and keep their members on topic and on side, but its misleading and misdirection. In your hypothetical scenario did the person have the Liberal party pay for their legal defence against the accusations, did the company decide not to take action or pursue the fraud once it found out about it, does the company operate effectively as an arm of the Liberal party, does the person hold a marginal seat in a one seat minority government. Im sorry but as you describe your hypothetical scenario is not quite relevant so your just distracting.

To play your game though, if the only difference was the political party and everything was identical... then they wouldnt have 'my full confidence' if I was the PM. Its clear there are some questions which need answers and best efforts should be made to find the truth. The PM and Australian Government need to support the law and legal behaviour. At the moment it looks like its a case of what they can get away with is good enough.

 

Everytime I post the news changes....

HSU is now apparantly deciding to pursue this with Police..... the day after Police decide to pursue it, LOL.

 

No Police investigation!!! Have a laugh at the reason why though.... because the HSU doesnt have policy stopping apparant misuse of its members contributions.

This only further supports that the unions seem to consider the misuse of union funds as acceptable. Its either the accussed did something wrong or the unions are doing something wrong... yet most of the media I see thinks the Libs are bad for bringing it up. Since most all the ALP comes from the unions its no wonder the ALP cannot run a country, they cannot run the simplest business model which is what a union is.

 

my dear , if you're going to be so 'hoighty tointy' in your discourse here on PF , then please do your fellow posters the courtesy of correct spelling . . . ... it would be much appreciated , thank you , sweetie . . .

as far as your opinions on Unions are concerned , and to be on topic , , it seems that we have a difference of opinion . . and

A Union is not a business model , , , where did you get that from ?

A Union is the best friend that working men & women have ever had , and still have , people joining together to promote better wages , benefits , working conditions , and the American dream . . .

That's what a Union is .

and that's why I'm a Blue Dog Democrat . .

 

Whats 'hoighty tointy', and do you realize you've responded to an Australian thread? A union does have a business model so I dont know what planet your on?

 

NSW police said in a statement the fraud squad had found no evidence of any offence under NSW law

Why is that funny? The police can only work to the law.

NSW police said in a statement the fraud squad had found no evidence of any offence under NSW law

How much do you want to beat a dead horse?

Yes correct. This alleged "fraud" happened years ago. There was no offence then - and despite the Shadow A-Gs interference - there is still no offence now. NSW police said in a statement the fraud squad had found no evidence of any offence under NSW law

Why do you say the ALP "cannot run a country"? They have been in government since 2007 and that doesn't look like changing any time soon - no matter how much the losers bleat and moan

What is the Lib dirt unit working on now I wonder! What will be the next "scandal" to "bring down the government"? An overdue library book from 1962?

 

No need to repeat yourself bugalugs. I read the NSW Police said they found no action had gone against HSU policy. You need a victim to have a crime and if the HSU has no policy against what was alleged to have occured then their is no victim. Obviously the point of the thread is the unions are so tied together with the ALP that they seem to protect each other and I was making the additional point that if the HSU didnt have policy against this sort of apparant fraud then its evidence that unions are pretty dam hopeless.... which since the ALP is mostly made of high level union workers explains why the ALP is so hopeless at running the country. Its not that difficult to understand is it?

Why would people be saying it sounds like fraud, because all the health workers did not pay union fees to go to prostitutes etc for the staff of the union... but lets be real for a second, everyone knows the various union have a history of misuse of funds (well at least anyone who is honest and had dealing with a few unions).

 

Sure - but why not let the police deal with it if there is a case to answer.

Not the idiots rabbiting on on Parliament.


But why do you say "the ALP is so hopeless at running the country"?

What do you base this on? Australia seems to be doing very well compared to the rest of the developed world. The only people complaining are those that lost the last 2 elections.

 

sorry about that ,

here I was thinking I was on planet Earth , and all the while I was in Australia , whew , glad I found that out . I'll bet you're glad I found out too , aren't you , you're so cuddly , oh , look at the time , have to run , tatta , up , up , and away

 

Looks like a lot of unions are complaining today with those mass rallies, isnt that what politics is, each side complaining about the other?

Why you ask, gee the list is huge, but its just the normal status quo... Libs complain the ALP is grossly incompetant at finance, and ALPers complain Libs are grossly incompetant at peoples rights... bla bla. I'll only say the ALP did more damage then good during the GFC.

 

Congratulations, enjoy your stay.

 

THis would be the union rallies against the Liberal NSW Government?

How does that indicate that "the ALP is so hopeless at running the country"?

 

THe list is "huge" is it? Care to give us any clues?

Sure the ALP made a complete bollocks of the asylum seeker stuff, but mainly because they insisted on following the racist policies of the former Liberal government.

Apart from that though - what have they done that was so bad? Why are they "hopeless?"

The OECD praised the ALP governments stimulus package:

The OECD's 2009 employment outlook, released last night, says the large fiscal stimulus packages many nations implemented ''generally have not had a strong effect in cushioning the initial decline in employment caused by the crisis, although Australia is a notable exception''.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/national/aust...ing-downturn-20090916-frrm.html#ixzz1XLXSQCMy

The UK's Conservative Prime Minister, David Cameron has praised the carbon tax policy:

BRITAIN'S Conservative Prime Minister, David Cameron, has personally congratulated Julia Gillard on her carbon tax policy in a letter penned from the desk of 10 Downing Street.

Read more: http://www.smh.com.au/environment/c...-carbon-tax-20110730-1i5cc.html#ixzz1XLX08Mkj

Can you tell us what you think they are doing so wrong?

 

It wasnt the stimulus that cushioned Australia, it was the capacity for our interest rates to drop. The ALP spreading some cash around did nothing compared to the widespread and consistant impact of interest rates being able to go down. Many other countries already had low interest rates so they could not achieve any benefit by dropping them. Not to mention the obvious surplus created by the Libs meant the country was flush with money. It had very little to do with the ALP stimulus, all the stimulus did was appeal to some sectors of blue collar workers and renters. It in reality was squandering cash. The Libs during the GFC said the ALP was going too far, it turned out they did. The ALP during the GFC guarenteed banks - but only the biggest ones causing extra burden on the smaller banks as customers responded to the ALP's overreaction by rushing to the security of the big banks. Im sorry I dont have a list for you but I'm sure you could find it if you visited a few Liberal party websites LOL. Just think roof insulation, school halls, etc.

The people smuggler issue is a different kettle of fish and quite frankly the Pacific Solution stopped the boats. It worked and all Australia had to do was wait for those people to be processed and then the camps would have been empty..... because the boats had stopped. Unfortunatly the ALP was elected and they mismanage most everything so they changed the policy which saw a flood of more boats arrive and of course the camps filled up.

I think the better question is can you tell us what you think the ALP are doing right??!!!, buts thats going even further off topic.

 

Yes - I thought you might trot out the same tired old cliches.

What was wrong with the BER program? Can you tell us? Or are you just repeating what Jonesy told you.


Federal Labor's controversial Building the Education Revolution (BER) scheme has been labelled a success by the taskforce set up to investigate inefficiencies and dodgy workmanship.

The $16.2 billion infrastructure program, designed to combat an expected economic downturn due to the 2008 global financial crisis, delivered more than 23,670 construction projects to schools across Australia.

The taskforce, which on Friday released the final report into the BER scheme, received and investigated 332 complaints.

The complaints represented 3.5 per cent of total school communities that had some type of building improvement at a school.
http://www.skynews.com.au/politics/article.aspx?id=635323&vId=

On what basis do you claim that this is evidence of "incompetence"?

And what is your problem with the pink batt scheme? Again - just parrotting Jonesy are we?



The program put improved the energy efficiency of over a million Australian homes - and in doing so, reduced the rate of house fires caused by insulation

http://blogs.crikey.com.au/pollytic...insulation-program-actually-reduce-fire-risk/

What exactly is your problem with it?

 

No - the Pacific Solution did not work.

It was just an expensive con job that did nothing more than further traumatise legitimate refugees.

Virtually all of those detained in Nauru were later resettled as refugees. And the drop in arrivals at the time only reflected an overall drop in asylum seekers worldwide


Arrival numbers fell dramatically after it was introduced in 2001, from more than 5000 to double figures, and stayed at a low level until 2008. That, however, is also the global pattern for refugees everywhere. The UNHCR’s data on asylum applications:


Moreover, the refugee burden shifted away from our region elsewhere during that period. In 2003, the UNHCR reported “the total population of concern to UNHCR decreased most significantly in Asia (-34%), followed by Europe (-9%), North America (-8%), Africa (-7%) and Oceania (-6%).” That is, the likely sources for refugees most able to reach Australia reduced much more significantly than elsewhere in the world.

http://www.crikey.com.au/2011/09/06/what-happened-as-a-result-of-tpvs-and-the-pacific-solution/


And of course - the High Court has just decided that the "Pacific Solution" is just as illegal as the "Malaysian Solution" is. The Libs have no alternative policy. Zero. Bad as the ALPis with this - the Libs are hardly a viable alternative government.

 

Bugalugs if you ask questions you dont want to hear the answers for, and they are OT, you cant really complain about the answers, and it turns trolling into deliberatly derailing a thread. Historical performance will always be historical in nature. You asked a historical question and got a historical answer. If you want new examples of ALP incompetance just keep reading the news and I'm sure you'll see plenty of examples if you can look past your apparant party bias.

The reason our overall intake of illegal immigrants is so low is because we are physically isolated away from the sources of the wars. These people are the rich ones who can use their wealth to tread on the poor refugees who have to follow the law by virtue of being poor.

So I think your deliberatly confusing the issues for some political gain. Fact is the boats stopped coming, thats what I said and thats a fact. If the policy had remain unchanged and we'd waited for the processing of those arrivals to complete then all the camps would have become empty and everyones problems solved.

Its more then overall intake, thats just a distraction. You see the issue is 3 fold; these people are leaving from safe locations where they could live happily and safely, free from their original hardship and persecution..... and paying large sums of money to criminals, these people are undertaking a dangerous journey which costs money and lives, these people are bypassing the security and health checks to skip the queue over refugees sitting in refugee camps who have done the right thing. So the offshore policies are designed to break a criminal crime ring, stop people putting themselves in harms way, and stop wasting of resources on the required reaction to ensure health, security and applicability on their entrance.

For all the assaults on the Libs about human rights you'd think the left would be more genuine about the poor refugees who cannot afford to pay criminals to smuggle them across oceans are left behind in refugee camps whilst the rich ones break the law and cost us money detecting, intercepting and processing. If Indonesia had a civil war and a flood of refugees ensued I am 100% positive both sides of politics would support onshore processing but its not relevant and neither is your graph and quotes. You seem to skip the point if the Libs had stayed in power then we'd most likely would have not had this problem to begin with.... its a problem caused by the ALP policy blunders pure and simple. The fact is the high court has had to take charge and scold the ineptitude of the ALP policy by drawing a line in the sand.

 

Thank you , , , AX , for your most gracious reply and promises of hopeful enjoyment in 'AussieLand' while I'm visiting the beaches & the bars ...

Perchance would you happen to be among the fine young ladies below ? and which one would it be ?

Just curious , ya know ?

 

ACTU president Ged Kearney has said today "Unions are subject to all the legal checks and balances that any organisation or corporation would be, more in fact,". Which makes me wonder why the HSU thing wasnt picked up until seemingly someone leaked it to the media.

Thing I'm wondering is who else sees how much money is actually being collected by the union, because if its up to the union to declare to the ATO its collections then who is checking they are not fudging the numbers. I know it previously went through the employer but that was changed ages ago.

 

NSW police said in a statement the fraud squad had found no evidence of any offence under NSW law

Keep whinging all you like. The Liberal Party lost the election. You wont change that.

 

You claimed that "the ALP is so hopeless at running the country" - but can't explain why.

Sure you trotted out the old Jonesy-approved cliches of "pink batts" and "school halls" - but both of those programs were quite successful by any standards.

You tell me to "keep reading the news and I'm sure you'll see plenty of examples". Well, as you have already been told - I read the news and I see the Conservative British PM praising the Governments Carbon Tax, the OECD praising the GFC stimulus, the BER being labelled a success and the Insulation programs insulating 1 million homes and decreasing the incidence of fires from insulation.

Why can't you tell us in your own words (not Joneseys) - why this Government is so bad?

Really!?!?
So why were virtually all of the people mandatory detained by the Pacific Solution found to be genuine refugees?

Yes - that is a fact. But the attribution of that to the Pacific Solution is nonsense.

Fact is - the Pacific Solution is just as illegal as the Malaysian Solution

Really!?!?!

Illegally detaining people in Nauru would have somehow ended all wars and stopped people from seeking asylum?!?!?!

Wow - what a stupid thing to say!

Then they would not be refugees.

But most of the people in Nauru were found to be refugees.

You appear to be lying.

No. The offshore policies are designed to dog-whistle to the ignorant, racist elements of Australian society.

You pathetic defence of them shows how successful they were.

Well - flawed as it was - that was teh point of teh Malaysian Solution. To take 4000 genuine refugees from Malaysia

I skip that point because it is nonsense.
If the Libs had stayed in power then the problem would be exactly the same because the Pacific Solution is as illegal as teh Malaysian Solution is.

ALP policy blunders caused people to flee Afghanistan, Iraq, Sri Lanka and Burma?

How?

They have also scolded teh ineptitude of the Pacific Solution.

Both major parties are wrong.