unmarked police officer claims self defense in gun killing

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  1. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Save your platitudes. This undercover police officer was not "protecting America", he was attempting to investigate to enforce the law.
    A little detail we need to get out of the way before we can have a logical discussion.

    Now obviously I agree with you about this point.
    The question is whether he needed to announce that he was an officer to do that job.
     
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  2. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    never said he did, but if he doesn't, he doesn't get to hide behind the badge

    just say "Police... Freeze" or "Police... hands up"
     
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  3. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You still have not explained why that should [not] be the case.

    So what this is really about is a verbal warning that he was prepared to shoot, not so much that he was a police officer?

    I'm sorry, I do not understand your position. You have not been doing a good job of explaining to me the logical reasons behind your position.
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    cause if the guy doesn't know he is a cop, then how does he know the cop is not a threat

    it was just to let the guy know he was a cop, comply or die
     
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  5. kazenatsu

    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Claiming to be a cop doesn't let the other person know that you are in fact truly a cop. (as far as they know, you could just be lying)

    Doesn't that still apply if it is not a cop?
     
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    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    nope, but this is about the guy hiding behind the badge now, after the fact.... the victim is dead, the cop is the one now being judged

    if the guy was not a cop, then the victim did not need to comply, if the victim did not know he was a cop he did not need to comply... but if the cop announced he was a cop then the cop can use that as a defense
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    That does nothing to address my argument though.
     
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    kazenatsu Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A law enforcement officer isn't any different from a criminal in holding someone hostage with a gun; the only difference is that law enforcement officer has a valid reason to do that.

    All I'm saying is that claiming to be a police officer or not should not really be a direct factor in whether that interaction was justified. It doesn't change the underlying reasons why we believe law enforcement officers have the right to do things that other people do not.

    I personally believe that officer was likely responsible for the death, but not criminally liable for murder. If he is responsible it is because he approached alone while not wearing a uniform. At least if it had been two or three officers approaching, the victim might be less inclined to think it was a robber or that a gun would have been able to save him.

    I personally think it's a good idea if officers from at least two different ethnicities/genders approach a subject because most organized crime is composed of members who all look the same.

    If I see a White guy and an African American woman together, it's going to be very difficult to imagine that it could just be a criminal gang dressed as police.

    Also, hate to say it but some people just look like thugs (regardless of race). If there's two officers, at least one of them better be clean cut and not look like he could be a criminal.

    There are things police can and should do to try to avoid these type of situations.

    Also the fewer laws that are there, the less chances for these unfortunate incidents to take place.
     
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    No, I do not think that. Do you?
     

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