Unmarried sexual relations

but I showed it was pointless, as abstinence goes against biology.

 

You are entirely correct.

And I certainly wound not place my imprimatur upon unmarried sexual relations that are not preceded by proper precautions.

 

And then also have to exclude blood or body fluid transfers other than medical transfusions and STD that were transmitted during child birth.

 

You must have missed the part in my previous post "have no STD's" .. and you did not answer the question in relation to the OP.

 

Not sure what you are babbling on about now. Yes there is a very strong biological drive to have sex. THATS WHY societies have encouraged abstinence before marriage. Probably fathers with teen daughters and bunches of grandkids and none of their fathers around to help him take care of all the mouths to feed, who came up with the idea.

 

Yep missed that part. You are correct. Having sex with someone who doesn't have any STDs, cant give you a STD. And I am totally indifferent to sex before marriage for others. Personally, I couldn't wait.

 

I was simply showing your comment was pointless, and meaningless. Ancient roman BC law had no effect on unmarried sex. Just like no law in any society in the entirety of human history, had any effect on unmarried sex.

 

Actually it directly contradicts the point of the other poster. Pointless TO YOU because you don't want the point to be contradicted.

 

but it didn't, as I pointed out.

pointless to everyone.

 

Of course it did. Encouraging abstinence before marriage wasn't a Christian invention and can be seen across all religions and cultures. AS A MEANS to determine paternity and not some enforcement of religious doctrine.

 

but you know that it didn't.

huh? nobody claimed Christians invented abstinence.

 

You are clueless as always as to what you are babbling on about.

 

awesome. now show us where he claimed Christians INVENTED abstinence, as you claimed.

It's hilarious you would call someone else clueless, lol.

 

And still clueless even when the information is spoon fed to you.

 

And it's still ****ing hilarious that you call anyone else clueless. I'll ask again............now show us where he claimed Christians INVENTED abstinence, as you claimed.

You are aware that there are tens of thousands of "gods" right?

 

He of course was referring to the Christian god AND limiting sex to married men and women involves abstinence between unmarried men and women.

 

So you agree, he never said Christians INVENTED abstinence, as you claimed. Thank you.

 

Unmarried sex just causes problems. A woman, by nature, instinct and biology (she carries a child for 9 months and then must raise the child) needs a firm commitment before practicing the act that will lead to conception of a totally helpless person.

 

What pointless distinctions you babble on about endlessly. I am an atheist. I believe the christian god is an invention of the christians and that therefore an invention of the christian god would be an invention of christians.

 

Anything going against God's plan creates chaos and makes society self-destructive. With easy access birth control, our lack of adherence to morals have resulted in millions of dead babies thru abortion and 40% of families with children are in single parent homes...broken families.

Opposing God thru self gratification nurtures irresponsibility no matter what resourses we have and we have plenty of evidence of that.

 

So you agree, he never said Christians INVENTED abstinence, as you claimed. Thank you.

 

You have skirted my question.

I did not ask whether we could safely "go...against God's plan," due to our "easy access to birth control."

Rather, I asked whether that God actually intends to proscribe all nonmarital sexual relations--given the true meaning of porneia (typically translated "fornication"--but really not meaning precisely that); in addition to the fact that sexual relations, if done responsibly, do not need to mean a significant chance of pregnancy.

 

Yes, sex out of marriage is wrong. Blow jobs, anal sex, ....sex outside of marriage. Pretty obvious really...such an intimacy between strangers...people who aren't close enough to commit to each other for life is hurtful to both parties ( one more then the other I imagine) and to the children that comes from t hat union.

 

*Shrug.* My wife and I slept together for five years, including two years of living together, before we got married. We've been married for 21 years and have two teenage children.

I see no harm in premarital sex that wouldn't exist in marital sex.

Now if you want to talk about casual sex vs. sex within a relationship, we might agree. But there's nothing magical about marriage vs. a non-marriage relationship.

 

Marriage vs non marriage is commitment vs non commitment.

I have experience with living with boyfriends and I have experience watching my children live with theirvmates. Yours worked out fine...but often people move in together before red flags are shown and suddenly you are financially and emotionally entangled with someone who might be abusive to you or your children. Separating can be like a divorce. Many stories now days of children...babies... killed by live in boyfriends who haven't been known enough to show their true nature.

It's just not good as a rule to move in together if the commitment isn't there. For you it did...but it's risky and can easily lead to chaos and single mothers..