Unprecedented – Military Opposes Afghan War

No its not "won".. and I rarely if ever read Huffington .. the topo of Afghanistan is impossible .. and the problem will simply spread to Pakistan.

 

Man I find it hilarious your an expert on military matters when your just some liberal hippie that never even stepped foot in boot camp.

How the hell can you talk about Afgan if you never even been there?

SERIOUSLY WHAT THE HELL DO YOU KNOW ABOUT THE SUBJECT?

How does anyone even take you serious? what else are you an expert at?

 

I know a great deal about the subject... My favorite uncle was senior intel at the pentagon..

Have you ever considered LOOKING at a map of Afghanistan?

 

Jesus man, you seriously just said your "uncle".../sigh

Its not even worth my time talking to you.


Carry on talking about stuff you dont know WTF your talking about.

 

Afghanistan was about ENRON, TAPI and the Dabhol project.

 

Hmm gee that's funny. I seem to remember millions of Americans screaming for Osama Bin Laden's blood, and then after Mullah Omar gave us the middle finger, they demanded invasion.

Maybe you were off getting an indoctrination in Saudi Arabia or something at the time, but I was here and I remember quite clearly this nation screaming to invade afghanistan, even among Democrats. It was pretty much unquestionable what the will of The American People was. They wanted Afghanistan wiped off the map as revenge for protecting Osama Bin laden.

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This is very true. Americans wanted revenge and it didn't matter that the Bush adminstration didn't have any evidence at the time of a connection between Osama bin Ladin and the planning and attacks of 9/11. We later learned that KSM, not bin Ladin, planned the attacks of 9/11 and that the planning was carried out in Germany not Afghanistan.

We know that the Bush admistration didn't have any evidence of bin Ladin's involvement because when the government of Afghanistan requested that evidence the Bush adminstration simply refused to provide it. Had it existed it would have made sense to provide that evidence because the government of Afghanistan was willing to turn over bin Ladin to a neutral country for prosecution. The Bush adminstration was not interested in justice but instead was intent on revenge.

It was purely a case of "vigilante justice" or more properly an example of mob rule where the facts had nothing to do with the actions. Americans wanted revenge and not justice.

 

I know that from those I talk with, most of us are not really opposed to the war itself. Rather, we are opposed to the way the current administration is handling things.

The worst thing we can do it to announce years in advance the date we intend to pull out. Because as you grow closer to that date, the enemy forces will start to stand-down, and build their forces. And part of the reason for this is to make us feel that things are safe before we leave.

Then a few months or years after we are gone, they will come roaring back. And we will have a repeat of the way things were in 2001.

I know that we all see this happening, and because of how this administration is, they either do not see this or simply do not care. And most of us have no trust in this administration. We all know that the President does not care about us, or our mission. We are an inconvient sideline away from all of his grand soclialist ideas. And we see this, whenever our benefits are cut or our base or equipment improvements cancelled.

 

Nope.. I was in Florida on Sept 11th.. but even I knew that Afghanistan wasn't responsible for 9-11.

The plot was hatched in Hamburg, London and the US... by a dissident Egyptian.

 

great philosophy there!! For some reason i think you are forgetting anevent that happened not to long ago called 911. You propose that simply leaving afghanistan will save lives. Defeatist attitudes and failed logic have no place in our military!! Instead of paying a goat hearder $100 to launch an aimless rocket that rarely hit its targe, you would rather we allow them to train terrorists to fly some more planes in to our buildings? As part our military, i hope you agree that we wold rather hare trained have them attacking thouse who are train and equiped to defend themselves, rather than our civilians here at home! I hope you signed up to protect the american people and not just fr the college benifits.

 

Libs won't ever understand man, they haven't seen what you've seen

 

Sadly, a lot of them seem to have little contact with reality.

I have never seen such a bunch of paranoid conspiracy believers in my life as I have seen in message boards the last few years.

 

Thats right, they were not responsible for the attack. No one has ever blamed afghanistan of attacking the US. We blamed terrorist organizations that trained and organized within their borders. Then when requesting they be arrested and brought to justice, they tried running us in a circle. The american people were not going to pjt up with that and wanted justice to be served quickly and decicivley. That is what our government did.

 

That's crap. The U.S. was extremely surgical in its invasion of Afghanistan. No one wanted to "wipe" it off the map. Stop sensationalizing the conflict.

 

The CIA had been trying to kill Bin Laden since the late 90s. After 9/11 Muslim extremist groups showed just what they were capable of. Even if Bin Laden hadn't been connected to the attacks he would have still be targeted. He'd already planned and carried out attacks against U.S. interests.

The U.S. targets muslim extremist groups throughout the world, regardless of their direct connection to AQ (though that's often prioritized.

 

I think we should abandon the nation-building effort and simply concentrate on hunting and killing terrorists with special forces (drones, CIA, SEAL Teams, Delta, MARSOC, etc.). Leave the Afghans largely to their own political devices and just establish regional command centers from which to project power.

 

I think the American people are through with foreign adventures. Time to simply come home. If the You Know Whos attack us again, we should just nuke them.

 

Throughout the past 40 years people who actually serve in the military do oppose war, and their families do too. A lot of them, they talk about it between themselves because they know civilians don't understand what they go through. That is perhaps why the public never knows why the military opposes the wars. Also, broadcast media is filtered and spun so that you do not hear the real opinions of soldiers. No soldier will come out on TV and say infront of his commander, he thinks war sucks, it's a thing you need to experience to know what it is about.

I also agree, these two wars have allready taken their toal on the US economy, and is damaging the moral of the miliatry, as well as destroying the lives of a lot of people. Here and aborad. The USA should get out and say out of Afganistan because there is nothing to gain by being there. Nothing. Zero. You can't convert those who do not want to be converted. And killing them all off will not sit well with anyone.

But as long as the USA can print money and run up a debt we will continue to spend trillions in wars to keep Dick cheney and his military industrial complex healthy and wealthy. Are you getting any of the money given to the war industry?

 

Many in the US military do oppose war but as noted rarely do they address it publicly. That is why the poll cited is somewhat surprising because now a majority are clearly voicing their opposition. I don't recall that happening even with the Vietnam War in which I fought. Yes, I returned home and joined VVAW ( http://www.vvaw.org/ ) and was vocal in my opposition to war but most did not.

Actually as an aerospace engineer I've worked on both commercial and military programs but I have always addressed it as working on defensive weapons systems and not offensive weapons systems. We need high tech military equipment but the application or use of the equipment is exclusively left in the hands of the politicans. It's like manufacturing a handgun. That handgun can be used by a person for self defense or it can be used by a criminal to murder an innocent person. I cannot prevent the criminal use of the US military by the US Congress or the President.