'An unpublished Centers for Disease Control and Prevention (CDC) study confirms Florida State University criminologist Gary Kleck’s findings of more than two million defensive handgun uses (DGUs) per year. Since the early 1990s, Kleck has maintained that there is a minimum of 760,000 DGUs annually. That is his low estimate; Kleck and research partner Marc Gertz have contended the actual number is closer to 2.5 million.' 'Now, a CDC study conducted on data from 1996, 1997, and 1998 has been uncovered. The study, which was never released to the public, shows approximately 2.46 million DGUs per year.' Wonder why never released? Source:http://www.breitbart.com/big-govern...confirms-2-million-annual-defensive-gun-uses/
There are many problems with studies like this. 1) A person may claim to have used a gun in self defense, but there is no confirmation that that is indeed the case. Was there a police investigation which came to the conclusion that it was a legally justifiable case of self defense? We don't know. 2) We don't know that such claimed self defensive gun use is actually making people safer. In fact, Kellermann found that people who lived in homes where guns were kept were more likely to be murdered. So whatever defensive gun use is happening isn't resulting in fewer lives being lost. 3) Even more people will claim to have been victims of gun crime in surveys. "After controlling for other aspects of the surveys, these surveys indicate that criminal gun use is far more common that self-defense gun use. For example, in May 2000, a Washington Post national random-digit dial survey asked 'Not counting military service, have you ever been threatened with a gun or shot at?' Twenty-three percent (23%) said yes. In that same month (May 2000), a Gallup national random-digit dial survey asked 'Not including military combat, have you ever used a gun to defend yourself either by firing it or threatening to fire it?' Seven percent (7%) of respondents said yes." https://cdn1.sph.harvard.edu/wp-content/uploads/sites/1264/2013/01/Bullet-ins_Spring_2009.pdf So do we believe that 20 million Americans have used a gun to defend themselves, but 60 million Americans have been victims of criminal gun misuse?
Simply put, you are against defensive gun use and you have zero proof of your allegations. As a Retired Police Officer I know from personal experience that your allegations are false. You can pick and choose at random and start calling Police Departments across the nation and ask them if there are defensive gun use shootings or not. But to compare criminal activity to defensive gun use is a fallacy, especially when using such as a justification to take guns away from otherwise law abiding citizens.
defensive gun use doesn't require a police report,shots fired or even display, quite often just the knowledge that someone is armed will deter a potential assailant, for example merely unzipping a jacket or unsnapping a holster, I have sent a pack of street thugs packing by just opening my jacket
Not much to share, save for comments in various places that the report may not be what it seems. But as I wrote, the CDC should surely respond to clear it up.
Then criticism of the report is simply biased opinion and nothing more... vapor. Poor form. As far as responding, the CDC responding.... responding to what? Baseless opinion? This was the second in a line of three national studies, the last having its report published in 2013 was, was initiated by executive action funded with $10mil from Obama’s Admin in hopes of supporting his push for increased gun control. It didn’t and it too was supposed to die a quiet death. Here’s the report — https://www.nap.edu/read/18319/chapter/1 And here is a gun mag’s summary. http://www.gunsandammo.com/politics/cdc-gun-research-backfires-on-obama/ If you don’t like reading the summary, what you will no doubt contend is a biased, based on that pub so you can discount the report, read the report yourself.
Even the most liberal writer on the subject, David Hemenway, noted at least 65,000 DGU's based on NCVS data. https://scholarlycommons.law.northw...ferer=&httpsredir=1&article=6936&context=jclc That's at least 5 times the number of homicides, and our homicide figures include justified shootings, police shootings and other things besides just criminal homicides.
What the ****? You are the one who made a thread specifically to bash people who argue in favour of stricter gun regulation for only using anecdotal evidence. You are a hypocrite.
If we start right off with the fact that it's not even a CDC study, I'm getting curious about what else is being lied about.
So prove me wrong, why be upset ? You dismiss personal and professional experience as anecdotal, how does that work ? In a Court of law for instance, you are questioned on what you observed, not on a published peer reviewed study, and there are not that many acceptable to all peer reviewed studies to choose from. So personal experience should suffice.
Personal experience is a sort of sampling error. It's too limited. But on another point, the material in the report I've read so far seems to suggest that there's not enough research data to make solid conclusions. Perhaps that's why it was never released.
Oh really ? And all those millions of documented accounts that can be verified by calling police departments ? The only ones calling foul are people wanting to prove defensive gun use rare, and statistics and police reports say otherwise, proving resisting an Armed attacker gives a better chance of survival than unarmed compliance. Women stand a better chance resisting Rape Armed than by submitting and perhaps contracting HIV/AIDS or other STDs.
