UNRWA condemns the usage of Gazan children as human shields by Hamas

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  1. MVictorP

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    Yeah. It's not because both states have desire for lenbensraum, believe in some ancient crap about being chosen Ubermenschen mined by illigitimate Untermenschen, have built a military state and proceed to round up and isolate the indesirables in walled-off concentration camps that they are to be compared.

    Came up from the same region of the world too - they were contemporaries. But it's not nice to compare them. I repeat; not nice.

    :hippie:
     
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    I'm confused. If the rockets were located in a vacant school, how are children being used as shields?
     
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    You said that Palestine and Israel were at war with each other prior to the Arab League and Palestinians declaring it. Sorry if your lie caught up with you but I don't make your posts - you do.

    :roflol: They didn't. "On 1 April 1933, the Nazis carried out their first nationwide, planned action against Jews: a boycott targeting Jewish businesses and professionals, in response to the Jewish boycott of German goods."

    Assault.

    You prefer Oxford?

    "A state of armed conflict between different countries or different groups within a country:"

    A loose disorganized boycott is not war according to the above.

    And you use antisemitic Holocaust Denial sites as your source. Unless of course you don't have a clue (which is possibly the case) and bothered to follow where your little link to the newspaper headlines leads to which is pretty much exclusively white supremest/antisemitic/Holocaust Denial sites. Got you figured.
     
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    "Lies" Ha ha ha; You are in full cheerleading mode here; but still: Zionists forces (Israelis, Jews, Ukrainians) committed Der Yassin before May 1948. Any other clumsy semantics to try and deflect this one?

    Besides, how did Palestine could offer Israel a declaration of war if both entities didn't exist?

    Yep. All the way up to Kristalnacht. War. There was only one way to deal with these terrorists. Don't you agree? How many people of your inclination participated in these riots? They say there's one born every minute.

    Well, according to this definition, the abduction and killing of Israelis isn't war neither. So, Germany as too fast to jump the guns as "judea" threatened their whole society, but Israel was just right in unleashing hell on an appoverished population because they had three citizens abducted? Some politician you would be. Like I wrote it is easier to imagine you in the street, armed with a torch and a stone, mad with rapture and all proud to be part of a mob.

    Which sites? Are you all right? Maybe this discussion's a bit too hard for your nerves. In any case, please point out the the site in questions or confound yourself in excuses. I shall be magnanimous.
     
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    Yetzerhara Banned

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    In my opinion I think you are better off with the above. If you actually read it, you will see exactly what I said. The agreement was an attempt to get Jews out. It was a desperate attempt. Many Jews believe it was necessary others believe the Nazis made fools of the Jews in this agreement.

    The agreement was not the only one where Zionists made deals with enemies to get Jews out of Europe by the way.

    As for the Lehi gang, they were facist. Theya ctually supported Mussolini and the Christian Felangiste (Phelangiste) in Lebanon. They amounted to about 190 or so.

    Here's my issue. I am not denying that agreement happened. I am saying the context for why it happened is not because Zionists were in alliance with Nazis. It was a pact trying to save Jews from the Nazis.

    As for Lehi to reflect them as mainstream or even a major component of Zionism is just not true. They were a fringe element. of 470,000 Jews they represented 190. Do the math.

    Zionists fought for the British in WW2 and were part of the underground in Europe providing vital information to the British and other allies. Zionists worked closely with Marshall Tito and the Serbian partisans as well.

    Why am I challenging you? Not because the agreement did not exist, but because the revisionism that tries to portray Zionists as Nazis is bull.

    Look at the other response. The person equates Zionists with Nazis picking up on your theme and even makes the idiotic comment that the concept of the "chosen" people refers to Jews thinking we are superior to others.

    Everytime there is a discussion about Israel it reverts to equating Jews and Israelis with Nazis-it never fails and the analogy is bull.

    I thank you for at least referring to another text which I read. I do not want you to think because I read the book its acceptable. You read what you want but the book you now quoted to me is accurate and fair.
     
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    MVictorP Well-Known Member

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    Yes, many Jews think that they are "chosen" and look upon goyim with condescendance, at best, and disdain at worse, advocating isolation and exclusion. They're called orthodox and are hated by modern Jews and gentile alike, but enjoy many priviledges in Israel. Don't play innocence abused, please.

    Why is that? Because you stated it, or because there are, you know, arguments against it? Once again don't play innocence abused.
     
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    And prior to that the blockade of Jewish people in Jerusalem was in place which had to be lifted by force.

    Nope, I think you now know that neither nation existed at that time so to be accurate do as I do and refer to them properly as Palestinians and Jews prior to Israel becoming a nation and then Israel and Palestinians after.

    Oh Israel existed since it declared independence on he 14th and the Palestinian peoples were represented at the Arab League. You really don't know a lot about this do you?

    Golly you lead an interesting life if you feel a boycott of a restaurant is the same as declaring war.

    I can see the thread is moving a bit too fast for you. Please go back to the part where the Palestinians as part of the Arab League declared war on Israel and you will see that as the two peoples are already at war any hostile action is a continuation of this war.

    Here, your post;

    It leads to a google search with the headline of Judea Declares War and, the results are all from antisemitic or Holocaust denial sites such as

    Those sites. The ones you link to when you posted your stupid newspaper page.


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    Guess what happened to those rockets? Yep, they (UNRWA) gave them back to Hamas.
     
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    The entire human shield is bogus, palestinians aren't allowed a military force where are they expected to keep weapons...no doubt israel expects them to stand in the open with targets pinned to their chests...they have no where else to go they're a militia force, like the swiss their weapons kept close by often in their homes....

    If we want to talk about hiding let's talk about israelis hiding in tanks, attack helicopters, fighter bombers, in ships off shore....don't blame the Palestinians for excessive civilian deaths, blame israel for cowardice, man up and go in with small arms fight on equal terms in precise operations, that will reduce civilian casualties...

    The real cowards here are the israelis not a militia that fights with crappy rockets and small arms, no tanks, no ships, no air planes, no air defense against a modern nuclear power....
     
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    They are expected to rescind their declaration of war and negotiate a peace rather than continue to kill their own people in a fruitless struggle. Sort of like what a beaten army does in every war since time began.

    They can keep and use all the small arms they want just do it within their own little cesspool and, I'm sure Israel agrees as they only took action when they began firing rockets into civilian areas of Israel which, by the way, they fired while hiding in the basement under women's laundry piles. At least the Israelis made it to the battlefield.

    Firing a rocket from the back yard of the neighbor and then running to hide in some kid's toy box and leaving that neighbor to suffer retaliation against you while telling him or her to stay put is brave? :roflol:
     
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    But but but... you just wrote that a blockade is no war act (or something to that effect), did you?

    Maybe I just don't care for such semantics as much as you seem to do. All of this lost bandwith, post after post, was necessary for you to finally shift your attention to the original point? I, for one, do not think it is any kind of advantage.

    Ever heard of Kristalnacht? That was no mere restaurant boycott. One thing thought - Google it yourself, from now on.

    Since when does the Arab League's a nation? IMO that was a non-existant war between non-existant parties, don't you agree, Mr Semantics?

    This "stupid newspaper page" is an historical one - it is no neo-nazi or revisionist invention. You said it was only kept on dubious site that are frowned upon by society at large? If that's true, there's indeed a problem, but I don't see it at the same place as you do, bubba.

    And furthermore; That an article, any article appears on "these sites" does not, in any case, make them suddenly suspicious. They may be suspect indeed, but for that one's got to look at the source, not the messenger - as long as no edition have been made to the text in question by the said dubious site that archived them. What kind of perverted logic did you just applied here? Mystery to me.

    Finally, the headline is available on subjectively neutral site such as Wikipedia Commons. There was a whole page of them, just so you make your own research without accusing me of any bias. That you chose a nasty site is your problem, bud, not mine.

    I am disposed to hear your excuses now.
     
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    Are you serious?
     
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    Wyly let me respond to some of your comments.

    You stated:

    "...palestinians aren't allowed a military force where are they expected to keep weapons..."

    Ok so Hamas is a terrorist organization with weapons, but it isn't allowed to be a military force just a terrorist organization. So who allows them to be a terrorist organization. Is it the people who do not allow them to be military force? Yah I got it. Israel won't let them be a military force so they are a terrorist organization instead. Israel allows terrorism not conventional armies. Got it.

    You stated:

    "no doubt israel expects them to stand in the open with targets pinned to their chests."

    Israel has never expected any terrorist to fight a conventional war. Cowards won't do that-they use innocent civilians as shields instead. By the way Wily, Israel does exactly what you claim Hamas should not be expected to do. Woosh over your head. Its soldiers die on the ground in the open and many of them die because they choose to die rather than do things that might get civilians killed.

    You stated:

    "..they have no where else to go they're a militia force, like the swiss their weapons kept close by often in their homes...."

    So now Hamas is a militia like the Swiss. Right. That makes sense because the Swiss shoot missiles at France, Germany, Italy from their homes, hospitals and schools and have a charter vowing for the destruction of these nations.

    You stated:

    "if we want to talk about hiding let's talk about israelis hiding in tanks, attack helicopters, fighter bombers, in ships off shore..."

    There'sa good one. Some want to explain how oen hides a tank or a helicopter? Lol. Now let's see using your analogy since Hamas has no helicopters, fighter jets, tanks, it uses civilians as shields. Right. Got it. People are used as weapons because they can't get their hands on other weapons. Makes perfect sense to me. Using your reasoning, Israel should use its people as shields and not waste its money on helicopters, jets, ships, tanks. Makes sense to me.

    You stated:

    "don't blame the Palestinians for excessive civilian deaths, blame israel for cowardice, man up and go in with small arms fight on equal terms in precise operations, that will reduce civilian casualties..."

    No one blames Palestinians. We blame Hamas. Now if I have this right using your reasoning the IDF are cowards because they don't use Israelis as civilians and shoot missiles at Palestinians from Israeli residences, hospitals and schools. Yep makes sense.

    That without a doubt Wily is as good a post as you have ever written. That makes it clear to me. Thanks.
     
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    I think he was yes. Scary isn't it.
     
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    And what did UNRWA do with the weapons they found? Promptly returned them to Hamas so they can hide them in a hospital or a civilians home.
     
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    Lol, all you get when you Jew bait is silence.


    Must be a slow night on Stormfront.
     
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    that doesn't exist as a rule of law, but the annexation of territory by force is illegal, the occupation is illegal, Israels treatment of the inhabitants is illegal....israel doesn't negoiate in good faith, and an occupied people is under no obligation to negoitate it's freedom from an illegal occupation...

    no Israel doesn't confiscate the weapons because it can't, they're cowards...



    they fight where they live they're fully aware that will endanger their families, just as the resistance did in occupied europe during WW2, that takes more balls and dedication to their cause than you can possibly imagine...
     
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    It certainly doesn't but it has been the norm since history began. As for legal and illegal and treatment etc, the Palestinians have no choice as they cannot win therefore they are merely prolonging their misery by not negotiating as Israel has the right to bomb them to hell for continuing to attack them.

    No need to as the bulk of them are not illegal. It is the rockets that are and, they destroy them when found or located.

    So you admit they endanger their own people rather than try to help them. And you feel sorry for people who deliberately kill their own people.

    Incredible and thank you for the insight into your values.
     
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    one peoples terrorist force is another's freedom fighters...the Nazi's labeled the resistance of occupied Europe as terrorists as well...did the Nazi's allow the Warsaw ghetto have a military force what happen there? sounds very Gaza like to me...


    that's pure stupidity, militias fight where they live with whatever weapons they have, they don't fight conventional wars with conventional armies...

    still more stupidity, are the Swiss occupied? are they blockaded from the outside world...do the Swiss live in what is essentially a giant concentration camp?
    You stated:

    drop the blockade and let the Palestinians have their own artillery, tanks, air defense and modern anti tank weapons, didn't so ... so brave hiding off shore in a ship lobbing shells into civilian areas against an opponet with no navy or air cover, or firing rockets from attack helicopters against a militia with no air defense capability, so brave fighting against AK's carrying militias with only tanks. "oh no there's a a guy attacking our tank with an AK47, we're doomed !" oh the terror!....cowards...


    cowards who dispossess and imprisons a people in a blockaded ghetto indefinitely with a modern army...sounds very Nazi like to me...cowards...

    you're certainly not a deep thinker so I doubt anything is ever clear...

    and learn to use the quotation feature or just stop posting...
     
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    Is Hamas not allowed to have rockets? I'm not familiar with the rules. Israel seems to be allowed to maintain a pretty significant defense force.
     
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    Woefully pathetic is more like it.
     
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    Israel is a nation charged with the responsibility to defend itself. Hamas is a terrorist organization with no responsibility for the security of anyone.
     
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    Israel is not at war with Gaza, it occupies Gaza. The Israeli military polices checkpoints throughout both Gaza and the West Bank. They routinely inflict collective punishment upon the entire population of Gaza and anyone that thinks the treatment by the Israeli government of the people in Gaza is anything remotely justified by Hamas' rudimentary, crude and largely harmless rockets is kidding themselves.

    - - - Updated - - -

    Is Hamas not the democratically elected government of the palestinian people in Gaza?
     
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    Is Hamas part of the Palestinian Authority?
     

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