US apologises for war in Afghanistan

AlQaeda were not even in Afghanistan when America blundered in and now the Taliban are not the enemy .
Who was America fighting ?
Was it the CIA who were ripping off the US Govt. with the Drug money ?
Surely this is the biggest farce and climb down in modern History .



The Mujahideen of Islamic Emirate "are no longer enemies" of Washington. This unexpected statement was made by US Vice President Joe Biden, report American media outlets.

"The Taliban per se is not our enemy, he said. - That's critical. There is not a single statement that the president has ever made in any of our policy assertions that the Taliban is our enemy, because it threatens US interests.

In turn, the ringleader of the Afghan puppets Hamid Karzai took this statement very positively. He said that now "it will be easier" to sit down and "resolve conflicts" with the Taliban Mujahideen, although the latter have repeatedly said that no negotiations could be until the withdrawal of foreign aggressors from Afghanistan.



It is to be mentioned that according to many observers, the US being defeated by the Mujahideen of Afghanistan, is looking for more and more ways for its withdrawal from that country by saving its entity.( Thrashed is the word the OP chooses )

That's why Washington periodically spreads rumors either about the "negotiations with the Taliban", ot about the "Taliban offices in Qatar", or about the "partnership" with the Mujahideen of Islamic Emirate.

 

Americans can ignore this Post but it does not alter the fact that your country is now the world's laughing stock .
Over 4000 kids murdered for nothing .

 

Ooops - Ouch - anoter foolish expensive US failed adventure

Taliban Strikes Preliminary Deal for Qatar Office

http://www.voanews.com/english/news...liminary-Deal-for-Qatar-Office-136587373.html


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My post gets deleted for trolling and the schlock in the first two posts doesn't? Alrighty then.

Anyway, yes, the Taliban were never the kind of threat that they were sold to us as.

The whole "follow us home" argument is mostly bogus anyway, but the best thing we can do at this point is create a truce with the Taliban.

Part of the reason Afghanistan is able to outlast most occupations is because the occupier usually realizes it's hell on earth.

It's like Vietnam. We could've won that war, but we got out after realizing that it's a jungle hellhole not worth dying over.

 

Where to start? The OP was so laughable in its denial of the Al-Qaeda presence in Afghanistan at the time of the Afghanistan part of Operation Enduring Freedom that all subsequent points in the OP were rightfully ignored. Not only did Osama bin Laden take the Taliban's Mullah Omar's daughter as his third wife but Al-Qaeda had extensive links with the Taliban and several bases/facilities inside Afghanistan.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al-Qaeda
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/055_Brigade
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Enduring_Freedom

And they are still well-linked today.

http://www.foxnews.com/world/2012/0...ani-militants-to-join-clashes-in-afghanistan/

While trying to stave off the invasion, the Taliban offered to have Osama bin Laden tried in a Pakistan religious court - how could they have been able to do that if OBL wasn't in Afghanistan at the time?

The only part I agree with in the OP is that Karzai and the USA are deluding themselves into thinking the Taliban will somehow come to the negotiating table and make a (lasting) deal. They want nothing less than full control of Afghanistan and wishing it was otherwise won't change that part of the equation.

 

repeating what I've said previously

"Afghans are unconquerable . The Persians//the Achaemenids/ Macedonians -Alexander/Mongols - Tamerlane/ The Russians -Twice- Csarists + Soviets / The British - Twice / The Arabs only succeed trying to partially tame the Afghans with religion - then the Arabs + Mughal-Safavids, were all kicked out - defeated.


Afghans , trick invaders into thinking they've won , then systenatically wear the invaders down.


The best NATO can hope for is a ceasefire , a charade of "victory" + BS - like Bush's "mission accomplished" permitting a military retreat /withdrawal.

btw - I'm no admirer of the Taliban and their most extreme puritanical interpretation of Islam.


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How much did this adventure cost the American taxpayer again?

 

Strange how everything changes when America is planning another war, enemies become friends and friends become enemies and nobody seems to notice.

Maybe America doesn't relish the thought of taking on a Taliban with Iranian supplied SAMs and Karsai just wants to be reunited with his Swiss bank account somewhere in the sun before he meets the same fate as his predecessors.

 

Not a good time for the Greatest 'F"word ed Up Nation on Earth ,Defeat and withdrawal in Iraq =Civil War

Humiliation in Afghanistan=Civil War

US$2 000 000 000 000,near 5000 dead soldiers 10 000's crippled and maimed ,200 000 dead civilians and 2 corupt puppet regimes about to be torn apart by their citizens .

For what ?????

So 911 could be avenged ?????

The OBL.and the Taliban couldn't of dreamed of the Damage they have caused to the USA,all up over the experience of the last 10years,OBL won hands down over Bush,Cheney and co.

And all they had to do was send out a couple of CIA hit squads ,but oh no they had to have a war.A war that is lost in IRAQ and AFGHANISTAN thats loser USA!

L LLL LLLLLLLOOOOOOOSSSSSSSEEEEERRRRRRRRR,USA.Or the ULSA,United Losing States of America.

Oh whats that I hear coming from Capitial Hill ,Invasion of Iran ?

Fat chance that happening ,how can the Defeated Nation of the US go to war again ,talk about a glutton for punishment.

If the Insane Iran policy gets a jumper it will end up with guess what thats right ,Loser US .Can't afford it anyway ,the old military Sabre rattling is not as scary when the Blade is rusted and corroded to the core.

USA 0 Iraq 1

USA 0 Afghanistan 1 message for all warmongerers.

Tradgedy is of course the everyday people of Iraq and afghanistan paid the real cost.the children pay the heaviest cost of not having childhoods.

2 defeats not just 1 defeat like veitnam ,but to unmitigated ,quagmired ,debacle military Adventures at the same time ,WOW,anyone still support george Bush and Dick Cheney ?????????

Thats what youalll get for putting the christian nut job in as preseident ,stupid and stupider faith thinking ",Throw bombs at it and pray god does the rest"George Bush @ 2001.

When is Bush going on trial for War crimes????????

when is someone or Class of workers going to revolt in the unUSA ,sorry thats like already started with the 2 teir wage system ,cuts in Medical cover, Unemploment rising,homelessness ,evictions ,

So its military defeat and withdrawal abroad and Class War at home !

Well ,Well, Well and I wonder why I am so Happy and optimistic ?

Do you think REVOLUTION is just about to emerge in the unUSA ,do you think ,no luckily the Government of the usa uses 'Faith Thinking"as its preferred approach.

got to love that 'faith Thinking".

 

Apology not accepted.

 

Hey there American Warrior !!
Didn't goof ball Bush Baby send you there to rub out Terrorism ?
Want went Wong ? -- as the Chinese prostitute said to the GI .

 

I think Blair could be just as easily described as a fool as well.

You act like we were the only ones over there.

What went wrong is that we lost sight of why total war is the only way to win. We also lost sight of the fact that the Taliban was willing to negotiate in the beginning.

 

Wow that is an embarrassing way to end an unpopular war...I agree with Marlowe, The Afghans cannot be conquered, Afghanistan has been called the "graveyard of empires".

 

They were never serious about negotiating. They had ample opportunity pre and post 911 to save themselves. Their excuses constantly evolved. Perhaps if years and years worth of games hadnt already been played by them before 911, the effort to overthrow them wouldnt have been so hasty and seemingly uncompromising.

 

Who wanted to conquer them? Its more about providing their people a chance at a reasonable future instead of being chained to the confines of the stone age...which when given the opportunites,most Afghans seem to be willing to embrace.

Its funny, some call Afghanistan "the Forgotten War" but it would seem as if most of you never really cared for the specifics of the objectives in the first place.

 

Tony Blair - a fool ? no my dear , the SOB like Bush are without the worse war criminals of their age as evil as
the worse Taliban members


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A 'super power' needs to have a perpetual enemy, to frighten it's people with.

If Islam vanished today, the US elites would HAVE to find a replacement enemy, that they could demonise, and that could be anyone, to be honest.

People need to get it into their heads that these operations are morally bogus, however, the part where once enemies become friends, then enemies, then friends again, with the elites, that is entirely consistant with what they do - the positive for them is that you eventually forget who the enemy were meant to be, what our armed forces have killed and been killed for.

Libya was another example.

Gadaffi was the most moderate of all Muslims.

Yet, after 40yrs, NATO decided he suddenly had to be removed.

Those that were the 'rebels' were NOT the majority, that is fiction.

They were more radical Muslims, who had all scores to settle with the Col, mainly because he would not tolerate their religous fundamentalism.

In short, NATO paved the way for a more radicalised leadership there, and a potentially more dangerous one.

Jack

 

Lost sight of the fact?

Or not reported as fact?

Btw, you do know that the Terrible Taliban offered to hand Bin Laden over, in 2001 - Twice. The US refused. Odd that, no?

 

mmmmhmm..suuuure

Bet you believe 9/11 was a CIA/Mossad plot too huh?

 

It wasnt reported? Are you being ignorant or dishonest?

Do know the US had being asked since 1999 to turn him over? And then 2000? And then 2001? Maybe you can give all the different Taliban excuses why their "offers" never materialized.

 

Which part of what I wrote do you disbelieve?

The part in which I said the Taliban offered up Bin Laden, in 2001?

Bush rejects Taliban offer to hand Bin Laden over


Taliban 'ready to discuss' Bin Laden handover if bombing halts
The Taliban would be ready to discuss handing over Osama bin Laden to a neutral country if the US halted the bombing of Afghanistan, a senior Taliban official said today.

Afghanistan's deputy prime minister, Haji Abdul Kabir, told reporters that the Taliban would require evidence that Bin Laden was behind the September 11 terrorist attacks in the US.

"If the Taliban is given evidence that Osama bin Laden is involved" and the bombing campaign stopped, "we would be ready to hand him over to a third country", Mr Kabir added.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2001/oct/14/afghanistan.terrorism5

 

What wasn't reported?

Ignorant about what?

Dishonest about what?

You have to be clear.

 

Thought it wasnt reported on?

 

"Or not reported as fact?"

Negotiations is what the topic was ,no?

So you either didnt know these "negotiations" were reported on, tho you seemed to fetch a selected article quickly or you knew they were covered and were just being disingenous by implying that these "negotiations" were reported not as "fact".

Im lean towards dishonestly...let me kno how you make out on the timeline of the saga of the Bin Laden handover.