US Army Muslim Gets 25 years for Giving Classified Documents & Drone to Islamic State

*shakes head*

No, it is not. In fact, such a covering is not even referenced in the Quran. The closest is a reference that the khimar (head covering) should be drawn over the breasts so as not to appear immodest. And at that time, the khimar and jibab (body cover) was worn so that others could identify that the woman was not a slave.

But please, find a reference to what you say. Because as usual it is something that you made up yourself. Because if you really knew what you were talking about, you would know that somebody who violates Islamic law is not an apostate (that requires speaking directly against Islam after leaving the faith), but fasiq.

Yes, fasiq is the term you are looking for. That for example is the term that the Ayatollah Khomeini frequently used against both Shah Pahlavi and Saddam Hussein before the 1979 Iranian Revolution. If course, he was also a scholar, so knew the difference between an apostate and a fasiq.

You really need to stop trying to pass yourself off as some kind of expert here. Because every time you pretty much suffer from athletes tongue.

 

BTW That's not in the Qur'an.
Why does everyone use the excuse about something not being in the Qur'an
I'l dig up a verse for you.BTW, slave women need only cover from the waist down.

I'm not going to argue that I misused an arabic word, especially from Khomeni who had a problem with his writings because he mixed Arabic, Farsi, and Persian in all of his works.

Keep in mind also you are referencing Shia 10% of the Islamic population.

 

I'll bet he also knew the difference between a pig and a goat.

[“Tahrirolvasyleh”, fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

A man can have sex with animals such as sheep, cows, camels and so on. However, he should kill the animal after he has his orgasm. He should not sell the meat to the people in his own village, but selling the meat to a neighbouring village is reasonable.

If one commits the act of sodomy with a cow, a ewe, or a camel, their urine and their excrement become impure and even their milk may no longer be consumed. The animal must then be killed as quickly as possible and burned.


A man can have sexual pleasure from a child as young as a baby. However, he should not penetrate vaginally, but sodomising the child is acceptable. If a man does penetrate and damage the child then, he should be responsible for her subsistence all her life. This girl will not count as one of his four permanent wives and the man will not be eligible to marry the girl’s sister… It is better for a girl to marry at such a time when she would begin menstruation at her husband’s house, rather than her father’s home. Any father marrying his daughter so young will have a permanent place in heaven. ["Tahrirolvasyleh", fourth edition, Qom, Iran, 1990]

 

Reality?

How many people did Islam kill in terror attacks globally last year?

Now do Wiccans, Mormons, Christians and Rastafarians.

There's your reality.

 

Why would you even think I would sit here and do research for you.
Look up your own stuff'

 

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24.31. And tell the believing women that they (also) should restrain their gaze (from looking at the men whom it is lawful for them to marry, and from others' private parts), and guard their private parts, and that they should not display their charms except that which is revealed of itself; and let them draw their veils over their bosoms, and (tell them) not to display their charms to any save their husbands, or their fathers (and grandfathers, and both paternal and maternal uncles), or the fathers of their husbands, or their sons, or the sons of their husbands (both their own and step-sons and grandsons), or their brothers (and foster- and step-brothers), or the sons of their brothers, or the sons of their sisters, or the Muslim women and the women of good conduct with whom they associate, or those (slave-girls) their right hands possess, or the male attendants in their service free of sexual desire, or children that are as yet unaware of femininity. Nor should they stamp their feet (i. e. act in such a manner as to) draw attention to their charms (and arouse the passion of men). And, O believers, turn to God all together in repentance that you may attain true prosperity.

Uh-huh, not in the Quran. Of course, in this translation we see veil instead of khimar, and bosoms instead of breasts. But please tell me how what I wrote is different from what is actually in the Book itself?

Please stop this. Just stop. Pretty much every time you try to pass yourself off as some kind of "authority", you utterly fail. First stating this is not in The Book, then "misusing" one word with something completely different. Yea, like that is believable.

Oh, I am sorry. I said the word "rape" when I meant to say "seduce". But the fact remains that I am right.

Yea, that is pretty much what you are claiming. Sorry, still not buying it.

 

I like this one, we have lots of instances of rape, and never seduction that I can remember.
We have Muhammed raping women, and we have his men raping women.
The only example of what can be twisted into seduction, is where Muhammed is given the gift of Ashia from Allah.

It would still be called rape with a 9 year old girl and a 53 year old man.

 

I differentiate radicals and fundamentalists very different than those in the mainstream. And yes, Christians also kill people for religious reasons, but you pretty much hear universal condemnation of them. Notice how few people rally to the defense of such people as Eric Rudolph, Robert Dear, or Travis Reynolds.

Just as mainstream LDS condemns such groups as the "Fundamentalist Church" (FLDS), Church of the Firstborn, Church of Jesus Christ in Solumn Assembly, and a great many others.

And you also had very few churches support such groups as the Branch Davidians or the People's Temple.

 

actually you are correct there, I was thinking of something else

There is a verse I am looking for, that I recall reading about covering up all but one eye.
something some clerics in Saudi Arabia are promoting right now

 

what Christians kill for religious reasons.
that went on a long time ago, but it is not a standard now.

 

I served with my share of Sergeant First Class troops. Those guys are not beginners. A lot of them have well past 15 years of duty. And this guy seems to have been promoted a bit faster. Perhaps he served in war.

Giving that stuff to the enemy in Eisenhower's day would get you executed

1 hr 45 minutes start the show

 

The Noble Qur'an - Al-Ahzab 33:5
O Prophet! Tell your wives and your daughters and the women of the believers to draw their cloaks (veils)* all over their bodies (i.e. screen themselves completely except the eyes or one eye to see the way). That will be better, that they should be known (as free respectable women) so as not to be annoyed. And Allah is Ever Oft-Forgiving, Most Merciful.


*the arabic word here is Jalabeeb (plural of Jalbaab), which is the loose outer garment that covers all a woman's body. It says here to use the Jalabeeb to cover all, and scholars say this means to use it to cover her head (agree upon by all scholars) and her face (agreed by many scholars, not all) and one or both eyes, in order for it to be known that she is a free woman and so not to be exposed to any harm.

 

sounds like Shia inspired, athletes tongue to me.

One of the things I point out all the time is the difference between sects, people, mosques.
Usually there is no universial answer, if you ask Ten muslims, you might get ten different answers.

The definition of apostasy from Islam, and whether and how it should be punished are matters of controversy – Islamic scholars differ in their opinions on these questions.


According to the classical legal doctrine, apostasy in Islam includes not only an explicit renunciation of the Islamic faith (whether for another religion or irreligiosity), but also any deed or utterance implying unbelief, such as one denying a "fundamental tenet or creed" of Islam. Islamic jurists did not formulate general rules for establishing unbelief, instead compiling sometimes lengthy lists of statements and actions which in their view implied apostasy.

 

Overall, isnt islam just horseshit wrapped in dogshit....

 

Pretty much true.


I hope our wanabee muslim comes back tomorrow.
He appears somewhat educated in his version and it would be interesting to compare notes,

 

I notice you didn't answer the question.

 

I already know the answer, and I didn't ask you anyway.

 

My reactions on reading the postings on this thread is that assuming that the anti Muslims posters are Americans they are being traitors to the US themselves.

Nothing like using the excused of religion to turn a nation people again each other.

To say nothing of the constitution that does not allow religion testing for any position in our government.

As I said that is assuming all these anti Islam postings is being all done by Americans and not at least in some part an attack to weaken us by foreign enemies.

Of course it surely does not help that our current president is placing falsehoods such as there was Muslims on the Jersey side of the river cheering from roof tops when the Twin towers went down in the 911 attacks.

 

Sorry, My bad.

When I am on my phone, I find myself misreading stuff.

 

frequently used against both Shah Pahlavi and Saddam Hussein before the 1979 Iranian Revolution. If course, he was also a scholar, so knew the difference between an apostate and a fasiq.

Here is a great little clip on your Ayatollah Khomeini explaining the difference between rape and seduction to a 4 year old girl.

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You can twist all you want, but only you are twisting slowly ever so slowly in the wind.

 

2015 when one was set on fire.

According to statistics, since 1977 there have been 41 bombings, 173 arsons, 91 attempted bombings or arson. 619 bomb threats, 1,264 acts of vandalism, and a great many other attacks. Including 17 attempted murders, 153 cases of assault, 383 death threats.

Including 11 deaths. The most recent in 2015 when a shooting at a clinic in Colorado left 3 dead.

So I guess we can remove all the security from abortion clinics, since you say that they are not under threat.

 

34715 terror attacks since 2001.
Most had multiple victims.

We are going to have a certain amount of terror anyways, from all groups.

You are going to compare this to 41 bombings in 40 years.
Hell, schools are worse than this.

 

Typical troll behavior. Make a challenge, do not like the answer so spin in a different direction.

Yea, we all get it. You hate Muslims, and are nothing but a vile little racist toad. You will lie, say deliberate mistruths, and claim to be an "expert", but can not tell the difference between differing offenses under Islam.

Well, enjoy yourself, because I only waste so much time on individuals such as you. Maybe you should go on over to Storm Front, they really love people like you over there.

 

Making us sh-t again I see. How is this spun. the original statement was the comparison of Muslims and Christians.
What challenge did I make
when did I claim to be an expert.
I believe I specifically said I am not an Islamic scholar.
And what's this racist bullsh-t. Islam is not a race.

And don't bullsh-t about making claims.
You ran off from almost a dozen direct questions.