US bars entry to International Criminal Court investigators

https://www.france24.com/en/20190315-usa-icc-investigators-afghanistan-pompeo

The US and it's foremost alley Israel are now running from the law. I notice that there were massive marches in the US against its actions in Venezuela at the weekend and cheers of support from them when a film came up of South Africans also marching saying No to US Imperialism.

It sounds like some in the US are beginning to see just how far it has fallen, just how criminal are it's actions which it always frames as being 'for democracy' or 'for the people' rather than for US Corporations. However the US is now being confronted and is letting it be known it knows it is guilty of the charges as otherwise it would not have to ban them, like Israel bans human rights workers.

Will this result in the US becoming an open tyrant with no concern about having no conscience or will the people of the US be able to pull what is supposed to be a democracy to heel? If the people of the US cannot bring the US establishment to heel what hope is there of them continuing to have any kind of democracy for much longer?

 

ICC has no jurisdiction in the US.

 

Israel and the US hold themselves above the law, and have done so successfully.

They see themselves as exceptional, and entitled to do as they please.

 

Yes they have. Israel has always hidden behind antisemitism, both to Israelis and against outside criticism. The US though has hidden behind the mirage of it being a democratic government which believes in rights. It has nowhere to hide from reality now..possibly why Trump was elected...but where to now?

 

Same applies to Russkis, chinos....there's also cause for their crimes whether in Donbass,Crimea, Georgia, etc, etc......Uighrs in China.....

 

We have our own law. We don't need globalist laws that favor terrorists.

 

Our government is populated with terrorists, if we are going to use strict definitions.

Bush & Co were convicted of war crimes in Malaysia in 2014.

 

I'm torn on this. I agree with the notion of the ICC - countries need to be held accountable for their actions in other countries. But I can also appreciate leaders who refuse to allow their citizens to be subject to a court outside the country. I suppose the best solution is to allow investigators from the ICC to conduct their business, without prejudice, into the actions of Americans in other countries. But once concluded, those investigations should be turned over to American prosecutors to seek justice. This, of course, would necessitate the citizen's government have the honor to follow through.

 

Which explains well why we don't participate in the international court.

 

No. The see themselves apart from the international court. We are a law abiding country for the most part but it involves our law, not yours.

 

No, we should not have anything to do with a court that finds the truth and delivers justice, however mild.

We were a part of finding truth and delivering justice back in the days of Nuremberg, but we practice today what we prosecuted in Nuremberg. Goodness, how things have changed in the Land of the Free and Home of the Brave.

 

Particularly a court that, like the U.N. is in the business of trying to smite the U.S..

Apples and oranges. Freedom is what it is all about. Subjecting one's government to an outside power is hardly a way to promote it. Give up your freedom if you like. I prefer to keep mine.

 

Malaysia, meh.

 

It may be to some extent but the US I am afraid does appear to be the worse. That is you can mention one or two times Russia and China up to it, and of course with China there is also the Tibetans...but they have not been going out presenting themselves as the moral country trying to help humanity. That is the façade the US has managed to present which to some extent people have bought into. The Government became I believe over confident with Venezuela and people are beginning to see right through them despite the conventional press. I was watching Pilgers 'the coming war on China' last night and a man from China explained the difference. He said they were not Christian so they did not see a need to bring Christian values to the rest of the world which he believed was what the US did. He or one of the others also said they were not capitalist. He seemed to take that from the fact that they were not democratic. He believed that because the US was democratic, the rich, corporations, could buy the politicians and by that it was Capitalist. There was no difference between finance and Government which he argued in China there was. He was right about what happened in the US but the word he should have used was Plutocracy.

Whether the ICC can pass judgement on people in the US remains to be seen. If they came one would think they possibly think they have the chance and if some International Law does not get started soon it looks like we are going to be just the survival of the fittest which could well lead to nuclear war. I think it could make it difficult for those the ICC find guilty to leave the US as they could then be arrested though of course they could not remove them themselves. However to me this is about the dropping of the façade. Large numbers of people now laugh at the propaganda the US is coming out with for instance on Venezuela, though of course it is not funny as it could lead to thousands of dead..but that rhetoric is no longer seen as true. The US is acting like an Imperial country frequently does when it is losing its position.

How is this going to affect the people of the US. Many people believe the US is well set up for an authoritarian state and that much of that was set up by Obama.What do you see happening.

 

No, apples and apples.

By its many actions, decades worth of actions, the US government employees responsible for the criminal actions of the government should be held responsible for their actions, in the model of "being conservative". Bush & Co might have trouble travelling as they like since the court finding, but nothing more will happen.

The federal government is an exceptional organization for committing war crimes, by drone or otherwise. The last thing it wants is to be convicted, for the truth to be made public.

 

I don't believe much of what governments say but I do put them ahead of what you say.

 

If that was true, Iraq, Afghanistan, Saudi Arabia and Bosnia would be the centers of Christian faith.

THe US has extradition treaties with some other nations. If a country wants to try a US citizen they must do that through proper channels.
The US is not part of the ICC, they have no jurisdiction here and forcefully imprisonning a US citizen could in theory result in sanctions and military action against the country that illegally holds a US citizen.

 

Our president has no clothes!!

 

Good.

The ICC is a kangaroo court and nations are justified in using any force necessary to prevent their kidnappings.

 

In kangaroo courts.

 

The Nuremburg trial was another kangaroo court. If they couldnt let the enemy combatants go they should have summarily executed them, but to drag the rule of law through the mud was disgusting.

 

But the Obama Chicago crime syndicate hasn't been convicted for all the drone strikes, arming Islamic militants, or destroying Libya?

 

Alexa. This isn't an issue about justice, it's an issue of Hypocrisy.
Few have an issue with justice - it's when the call of "justice" come from Venezuela,
South Africa, Afghanistan or Gaza for instance.
We don't have an issue with "human rights" but 9 of the 29 countries on the Human
Rights Council "abducted, detained, held incommunicado, or had disappeared" people
in their own country who co-operated with the very council they are members of. These
are Burundi, Egypt, Rwanda, Cuba, Venezuela, China, India, Saudi Arabia and the
United Arab Emirates.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/...ina-venezuela-abusers-violators-a7958271.html

In fact, when I hear of the UN condemning a country I begin to think that maybe this
country is doing something right to raise the ire of evil nations.

BTW, saying "No to Imperialism" probably doesn't mean Russia nibbling its neighbors
to death, or China and it "Sino-ification" and island building. There's no "No" to left
wing imperialism of Cuban "advisors" or global Marxist ambitions. Again, same
thing - your accusations against liberal democracies are in fact Marxist
confessions.

 

That sir, is no surprise whatsoever.

 

Pretty much the entire federal apparatus has no clothes....