US Commerce department: car imports into U.S. are national security threat

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    Not really ...
    If Trump and Americans see us as competitors ... do they also take into account the fact that these German companies have created 150,000 jobs in the US and therefore pay taxes in the US like any US company? Rather not ...

    And when it comes to competition ... So the concrete tariff ... then no one with some brain would really object at us, if the US sets the tariff for car imports from the EU to the same 10%, as the EU set on car imports from the UNITED STATES. But no ... Trump is right on top of us and according to the whole media report it should be 25% directly! So is it about competition?
     
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    Its better to see what the report states and our political and economic reaction before making to many assumptions. Could end up just being economic sabre rattling, or with a German angle towards the Nord Stream pipeline we are against. ?
     
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    The purpose of the tariffs is actually to reduce or eliminate tariffs in the end. The U.S. has dealt with an uneven application of tariffs for a long time and would rather not have them at all.

    Even though we are competitors, we are also customers of each other. No question that we value German investment in U.S. industry and I'm confident the feeling is the same in the other direction. German companies like BASF and Siemens are important players in our economy. Having said that we still have an interest in promoting U.S. made products just like you do in promoting German made products. That makes us competitors.
     
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    Sure ... again and again North Stream, what is a fat hurting thorn in the meat of Trump and his government. How can this outrageous Germany insist on deciding from whom they get how much gas .. and not anxiously submitting to our US will? Sorry, we are not an US puppet state!

    By the way ... another source about topic:

    https://www.autoblog.com/2019/02/16/trump-tariffs-imported-cars-parts-sunday/?guccounter=1
     
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    As ridiculous as the notion that weather changes are a national security threat and must be accounted for.
     
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    Its such a waste of time to argue subjects within the US with foreigners who think they know everything but in reality know nothing

    Many states are what we call Right-to-work states where joining the union is optionsl

    When given a choice most workers do not want to join a union

    But the US auto industry was born and grew up in the northern ststes where workers must jpin the union

    And unfortunately the output of union labor is often not as good as what free workers produce
     
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    I do want capitalism

    But not laissez faire which is what you seem to want

    China policies are designed to increase the wealth and power of the state

    While at the same time making other countries weaker
     
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    Are you aware that during the early 19th Century there was no such word as "racism."

    There was the old Castilian word "raza" translated to English being "race" but it was in reference to the breeding of horses like thoroughbreds or "La Raza." (keeping the bloodlines pure.)

    Did I teach you anything ?
     
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    10000000% agree. Anyone who continues to support this lying, xenophobic, womanizing sexual predator of a "president" are really just not quote all there mentally imo.
     
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    Ya. It takes a real idiot to not understand this quite frankly. But when dealing with Trump supporters........ Thats what we get.
     
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    I support trump more now than when he first walked down the stairway in Trump Tower
     
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    I stand by my statement. Even more so now than when he first came down that escalator in Trump Tower.
     
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    There is no expense to America. That's where our opinions differ. My company is accumulating wealth in America therefore FOR America. Plus, as a wholesaler, my company sells to retail companies in America. Those companies are creating wealth IN AMERICA as well as jobs.

    The products that we buy from india and china create wealth in America. If we have any problems with these companies we say F-you and find another company to play ball with. That very thing has happened several times. The fact is that for bulk metal products America cannot compete with the cheap labor in places like India and China. Do you suggest tariffs that will eat into MY AMERICAN companies profits? That would be hurting my company, and in turn America. This is a global economy and you seem stuck in a time that is long gone.
     
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    One moment Mac ... thsee foreign German automotove and automotive supplier companies who brought 150,000 jobs to US people are accused by you to be not in Michigan but in South Carolina and other states where the Union has out of whatever reason not the same power as in Detroit at GM about wages?
    We are talking about the USA ... one country which has 50 states and where obviously these German companies use legal and economic matters and circumstances inside the USA in their favor ... probably better than GM as it looks like. Do you agree?.
     
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    There is nothing unique in the product from india that could not be made in America

    You are adding value and that is better than having the whole thing made in china

    But it still adds to the US trade imbalance
     
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    I agree that GM could build cars better in S Carolina without union labor

    And I also assert that the german companies could not make cars a well in michigan using GM workers

    You seem to forget that I do not agree with the conclusions of the commerce dept
     
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    It's cheaper than America can make it. Do you suggest we buy American metal products and cut into our profits? That would hurt my American company and American jobs would be lost.

    American manufacturing needs to move away from certain areas and focus on tech. America will never be able to compete with cheap labor on certain products.

    BTW, my company also buys from American companies.
     
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    I suggest we place a tariff on the chinese and india products to bring manufacturing jobs back to America

    If so jobs would be added not lost
     
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    Jobs would be lost with tariffs. You continue to discount this fact. You are just artificially propping up one sector to the detriment of the other.
     
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    So far understnadable and agree widely with you and your statement. But ... if you take Apple and as example this I-Phone 8 it coyts in the USA about 700.00 USD afaik... the production cost is something of about 150.00 USD including transport costs from Chian to the US for it ... as a short investigation Internet tells. This not only means a gigantic and no normal profit margin for Apple with each sold I-Phone!
    Taking normal and usual margins, that's a retail price for the I-Phone as if it's Made in the USA by high paid specialized skilled workers. This is then no longer really explainable to many (American) people, why Apple does not produce their things in the US.
    No one of them wants that Apple makes no good profit, but with this circumstances .... well ...
     
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    The media sources you linked to don't know Jack S*** about what is in the Commerce Report or what Trump is going to do about the report and neither do you. Your OP is totally based on assumptions.

    Defending your comparison of Trump to Hitler is TDS. The fact that you have had relatives killed by Hitler and still compare Trump to Hitler is simply insane thinking. What exactly do you see that validates a comparison of Trump to Hitler? Just the facts please.

    By the way, I think German cars are overpriced although BMW has always made great motorcycles.
     
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    We import $350 billion more from china than we export to them

    Jobs will be gained
     
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    How do you get your numbers? You think artificially propping up manufacturing in the US is going to be a net positive in Jobs. I disagree.

    Add to that tariffs will only make things more expensive across the board. How do you think construction companies feel about steel tariffs? I've talked to several people involved and they say it has done nothing but cost them and their customers with cost increases and delays.

    And how long do you artificially prop up industries? Is this healthy for a free-market system? I don't think so. I think it only delays the inevitable and keeps industries from progressing. It's like giving an inferior basketball team 20 points to start the game. Does that help that team get better?
     
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    China is artifically propping up its industries in order to achieve just what you are doing

    Driving Americans out of work
     
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    What China is doing is communism. Do you want the U.S. gov't to control companies in the U.S.?
     

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