US Commerce department: car imports into U.S. are national security threat

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  1. Jonsa

    Jonsa Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    here's a cite for you: the "chicken tax".

    So it appears.
     
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    And China uses the same tricks persons seeking to create monopolies
    used in :flagus: in the mid - late 1800's.

    Play the long game to drive competition out, even if that requires some years of loses.
    Face it. The Chinese are masters of "the long game" compared with mere occidentals.


    Moi :oldman:




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    Across an immense, unguarded, ethereal border, Canadians, cool and unsympathetic,
    regard our America with envious eyes and slowly and surely draw their plans against us.
     
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  3. Jack Links

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    Ever notice how long winded Dems are?
    Brevity is not strong point with them.
    They can't dazzle with brilliance, do they baffle with bullshit.
     
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    So you still can't provide even a hint of tariff schedules from WTO member Nations, and you try to insult me?

    Are you kidding?

    Give it a rest Jonsa, no need to pour fuel on the smoldering remains of your argument.
     
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    No

    Communism is a failure wherever its tried

    What we have in china is an
    You are absolutely correct
     
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  6. Moi621

    Moi621 Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :roflol: Yes Moi be

    And we're the only ones who know it!
    It is so obvious. The Silk Road activity that has India so concerned.
    How long for that to "pay off" ?
    It's about The Long Game.
    Not this year's profit.
    Happy Year of the Pig.
    Beware :flagcanada: too

    Read Moi Now And
    Believe Moi Later - or now
     
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    Detroit looked at the Bug, but failed to see it. That's when Detroit began to go wrong.
     
  8. HumbledPi

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    Just imagine how many rusting bridges could be made safe, how many collapsing dams could be repaired, how many drug treatment centers could be opened in cities that are suffering under the opioid crisis, how many .... well, you get the idea.....with 5 billion dollars!
     
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    Angela Merkel is a smart woman, she knows that Trump is intentionally threatening to start a trade war with Europe just as he's done with China. Trump has used tariffs and tariff threats to try to extract broader trade deals in the past. Trump has used the 'national security threat' argument to impose steep tariffs on steel and aluminum imports, which drew instant retaliation from the EU, Canada, Mexico and China. This is not the way to make trade deals. When Trump imposes tariffs, who do you think pays for those tariffs, the companies? No, those tariffs end up forcing the American consumers left to bear the cost, and leaves American workers unemployed.

    German automakers currently employ 118,000 people at US plants, where they built 750,000 vehicles in 2018, 56 percent of which were exported to China, the European Union and other destinations. If tariffs go up, it's not good for the consumers in the U.S. since most of the buyers of BMW are in the U.S. and it's not good for the economy overall. Brussels has already drawn up a list of 20 billion euros ($22.6 billion) in US exports for retaliatory tariffs should Washington press ahead.

    America should never embrace the self defeating tariffs and trade wars that are under way. America was built on innovation and creativity and demand to be treated fairly but there's nobody in the world that we're afraid to compete with, it's who we are. The United States shouldn't be leading by examples of our power, we're supposed to be the leaders of the free world and should be leading by the power of our examples.
     
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    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And what the hack has this with this rediculous "Dems vs. Reps" bashing to do? Is Trump suddenly a Democrat or what is your comment here about this nonsense and bullcrap done by Trump?
     
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    No.
    It was designing the motor, transmission, upholstery, molding, etc.
    to all start disintegrating at five years. And people witnessing VW and Toyota doing better.
    My Ford Expedition 4WD is now 22 years old and I would not upgrade my big V8 to a smaller EcoBoost arrangement. Nor a touch screen computer and losing my mechanical key.

    Remember, when the Bug first appeared, gasoline was like thirty cents a gallon
    unless there was a "Gas War". Yes children, gas stations across the street from
    one another would put out signs and claiming, "This Is War", "Gas War" as they competitively lowered the price per gallon against one another.
    Point: No one was really concerned about MPG back then.


    Then again, it's late late and I may have missed @jay runner 's point. g'nite.
     
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  12. Mandelus

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    Let's start with some of many issues of the election campaign as example and there are a lot of parallels between the election campaign of Hitler in the 1930's before he was democratically legitimized and elected Chancellor ... and the election campaign of Donald Trump.
    The language that Trump and his team use to talk about Islamists is the same language Hitler used in dealing with Jews. "'They will defeat, dominate and destroy America', Trump had said among other things ... which is the same language that Hitler used in the Jews, where he said exactly the same thing about Jews, among other things!

    Maybe ridiculous for some, but not for those with a sensitive sense of history. At one of the election campaign events, Trump had asked his fans to lift right right hand and talk to him. His fans should swear to choose him at all costs. Apart from the fact that such a request is just disgusting ... it looked like that ... and do not say that looks exactly like the right arm raised by the Nazis!

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    As Hitler once did, Trump publicly blames minorities and weaker groups for existing problems in the US, without even mentioning any evidence for them. On the contrary, these evil illegal immigrants from Mexico and other Central American countries, for example, are generally called criminal. Where is the proof? It does not exist and even official reports from FBI & Co. confirm rather the opposite! But it is really sad that so many Americans believe this BS ... or want to believe.

    And as for President Trump, there are countless parallels ...
    Take his fight with the judiciary and its often expressed contempt for the justice, especially if this opposes him for a good legal reason.
    Take his contempt for the media, which are not well disposed to him .. and also his contemptuous statement regarding fake news, although he himself is world champion of fake news (which he calls "alternative truth").
    All this was also the case with Hitler ... and also Hitler made an insane "Germany First" program like Trump ... and I do not have to mention anything about armaments issues, that Hitler raised her as drastically as Trump.
     
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    Do you have any knowledge of the tariffs that were imposed on imported goods by member Nations of the WTO, prior to President Trump taking action?

    For example, do you know the tariffs that were in place on imports in Germany? China? Canada?

    The power of our example is to let member Nations know that fair trade is the order of the day.
     
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    Do you know that it is not German tarrif or French tariff or Iralian tariff ... but that all EU members have the same tariff to the outside of the EU? The EU is one common market and so like a territory with same custom tariffs in all member states.

    Do you know that it is an up and down in direct comparion between tariffs of EU and USA at same goods... means here takes the EU much more tariff as the US, but ther eit is is reversed. Yes, on cars from the US (and all other non EU members) the tariff in the EU is 10%, why it is in the US only 2.5%. But then let us take Pick Up Trucks and there we have it reversed with a much higher tariff in the US as in the EU. All in all with all goods taken into account, the EU takes about 0.4% higher tariff as the US.

    And I would say nothing here, if Trump would use the brain and says "OK, I raise tariff on same level = 10% for cars" ... because this is a justified and understandable step!
    And yes ... the dream is no tariffs at all, but this will maybe happen on a planet called Utopia, but not on this planet without a complete and trade agreement like the EU has done with Canada and Japan, where then no tariffs or maximum on both sides same tariffs are given etc. But does Trump want such a fair trade agreement? No and never as we all know ...
     
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    Can you answer the questions I asked, or are you just going to continue with propaganda and slogans?
     
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    Propganda Slogans? Where did I tell with which words? Could it be that you don't like my named FACTS and that you can't reject them otherwise as this way?

    Anyway ... to your so called question: Have you any clue about WTO tariff system? Obviously not... So please educate yourself a little bit more about GATT before asking superfluous questions!

    As I still told you ... there is no German tariff, but an EU tariff! And that there were differences in tariffs worldwide and that they are only removed or harmonized by full trade agreements I toild you too ... and if you had yourself informed a little bit more about GATT, then you would not ask such a question.
    For example ... it would be fine if the idiot living currently in White House would simply raise same tariffs on foreign goods as these foreign countries out on US goods if he find it unfair ... but no ... we start trade wars and threat all and everyone!

    Your question answered? Yes it is... but not the way you liked and this is the problem!
     
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    I am very familiar with what took place on January 1, 1995.

    I also understand Gemany is part of the EU. That doesn't change anything, does it. Does Germany import goods to the United States?

    For all intents and purposes, Germany is the EU, so I have no clue why specifically referencing Germany has got you so animated.

    So let me ask again, are you familiar with the tariffs that were in place on imports from the US in the EU, Canada, and China prior to the actions President Trump took?
     
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    Maybe ...
    But services are not taken into account in the balance sheet ... and services are also a commodity and create jobs.
    And what's in those 350 billion in there are things that let US companies manufacture abroad and then import to the US ... and if you take the example of Apple often used by me, then you have nice? Billions in value that are part of the 350 billion.

    But in general, the question arises whether this is only due to higher tariffs in China on US goods than vice versa ... because that is not the case in my opinion! As everyone knows, labor costs alone are cheaper in China than in the US, and Trump does not change the trade war ... or does anyone think China will make a general pay raise, etc.?
     
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    Germany is not the EU, it is part of the EU and in economic view the strongest. But it has also in all decisions only 1 vote like the smallest member Malta has!
    And yes, Germany as all other import goods from the US too... so what is your question here?


    Yes I am ... but are you familiar that they are still the same today?
     
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    No

    Communism is a failure wherever its tried

    What we have in china is mercantilism and imperialism

    China aims to repeat British success in the 18th Century
     
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    with t

    Stop fukking with the free market. Sit down.
     
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    Your post is an uninformed comment on US-China trade that does not involve germany

    Therefore I have nothing more to say
     
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    I don't understand why you are engaging in such a disingenuous effort. I've asked you rather simple questions about tariffs and you keep ignoring them. Depending on the tariffs imposed, they can be considered trade barriers.

    So bottom line, why do you think the President of the United States has taken the action he has, regarding trade?
     
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    As you admit china does not operate a free market in china

    You are being lured by cheap stuff

    Like a hungry mouse that wants the cheese in the mousetrap
     
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    To answer your question in simple terms, nope, I didn't give a damn back then. Why didn't I give a damn back then? It's because 'back then' we had strong alliances with our trading partners and an import tariff is nothing more than an added tax on both consumers and businesses. Toy makers, fashion designers, grocers, whiskey distillers, the petroleum industry and others, have all been negatively affected by Trump's trade war with China.

    Sure, there are issues that need to be addressed with key trading partners, tariffs are the wrong approach to bring about meaningful change because there are ways to get around tariffs. Countries can find ways to assemble their products in another country so that it ends up getting shipped from that second country to the United States, and bingo, it avoids the tariff that way. So, yeah, there are ways to get around them. It's really not that difficult to do.

    Tariffs can also hurt companies like Boeing for example. It imports Chinese products in order to make airplanes, OK? But what if China also retaliates? Then you end up in a situation where Boeing ends up importing more expensive products from China, and it has a harder time selling its airplanes back to China. And so you end up in a situation where the tariff just ends up harming yourself and not the other country you were trying to target.

    If we just look at international trade from the viewpoint of the American consumer, we're much better of getting access to low cost goods from all over the world. The opportunities we have to shop around the world, basically, elevates the standard of living of every American who buys anything at a Target or a Walmart or Home Depot or travels abroad, and so, really from the consumer standpoint, Americans are much better off with trade compared to the alternative, which would be protectionism or reductions in international trade.
     
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