US Debt Clock

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  1. wist43

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    Cite the clause in the Constitution which authorizes the FedGov to expend funds on housing.
     
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    So I guess it's up to the Democrats to get things under control...........

    Or NOT!
     
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    Yup, splatter your blather all over the place, "Mister Truthfulness"....

    You like "truth"? Re-read my post -- I didn't blame Democrats, and I didn't blame Obama! Why not? Because neither Democrats nor Republicans, and neither Obama nor Trump is to blame for the horrendous accumulated debt or anything else of consequence in the economy -- NOT SINCE SUMMER, 2007.

    Who has been in sole control of the REAL factors in the economy since then...? Not Obama -- he was little more than Bernanke's 'hand-puppet' (and honestly, the same was true of "W" Bush, too). And when compared to the indominatable power and control of the Federal Reserve combine, even Trump is little more than just another fairly ordinary billionaire... a 'rabbit turd' by the Fed's standards....

    But that reality doesn't stop people like you from putting words in other people's mouths... a very bad trait, and it does rather make a person look like a rank hypocrite when he gives himself the airs of calling himself, "Mr. Truth".... :roflol:
     
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    Don't need to. You would need to cite the clause preventing them from doing so.
     
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    It's right next to the clause that grants congress the power to educate, create a national retirement system and supply heath care to the elderly.
     
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    The Constitution only Grant's "certain, enumerated powers" to Congress.

    And, as the 10th Amendment says - to paraphrase, '... if it isn't specifically granted, the FedGov does not possess that power'.

    The Constitution is a "negative document".

    You sound pretty young... these misconceptions you have of the Constitution, they teach you that in school??
     
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    no it doesn't.
    no it doesn't.
    which means you'd have to find the wording in the constitution precluding congress, not allowing congress.
    I don't have any misconceptions. I've correctly schooled you on it. I even gave you several examples of numerous other agencies and regulatory bodies that are mentioned nowhere in the constitution.
     
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    Wow, lol...

    As with all leftists, completely ignorant, but never in doubt, LOL...

    Try cracking a book once in a while, it will do you good ;)
     
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    What, you're historical record? Hardly.
     
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    I'm sorry that your understanding of constitutional law is lacking, and runs contrary to reality. I'm only trying to help.
     
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    congressional voting record. Republicans killed every single bill attempting to regulate fanny/freddy from 2001-2007. Every single one of them.

    https://financialservices.house.gov...11/timeline_for_fannie_freddie_regulation.pdf
     
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    There's a lot being written in this thread about "debt" and what's in the Constitution of the United States . The only 'dog' I have in this 'fight' right now would be one that bites the Federal Reserve combine in the throat (just a 'sidebar'), so, I'll just suggest that everyone with a different focus takes a deep breath and reads:

    1. The U. S. Constitution, Article I, Section 8: https://www.annenbergclassroom.org/article-i-section-8/?AspxAutoDetectCookieSupport=1

    2. The U. S. Constitution, Amendment 14, Section 4 and Section 5: https://www.law.cornell.edu/constitution/amendmentxiv

    Afterword: While it is true that none of this nation's founders (except for slimebag Alexander Hamilton) ever considered anything as uniquely authoritarian and unilaterally powerful as the "Federal Reserve System" central bank (which liberal Democrats under Woodrow Wilson saddled us with 105 years ago), it's legality, appears to be, strictly speaking, valid.
     
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    So, you've never heard of "enumerated powers"??

    Or you dont know what the term means??
     
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    Haven’t found where the constitution precludes congress yet? Or any of the dozen or so other regulatory bodies I mentioned? Lol
     
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    Oy vey, lol...

    The 10 Amendment was passed as a condition set by several states as a prerequisite to ratification, as they wanted to ensure a constrained federal government.

    For cripes sake, even wikipedia explains it in clear english...

    In order for the FedGov to engage in any activity, it must be specifically granted the authority to do so in the Constitution.

    Sorry kid, you lose...
     
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    Well, it is true that the wording of the 10th Amendment is very instructive.

    [​IMG] But what if "the people" turn around and give those same powers to the legislators...? :confusion:
     
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    So no, you can’t find where it precludes congress. Thank you.

    Which is why we have the EPA, FCC, FAA, Fanny/Freddy and numerous other regulatory bodies and agencies.
     
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    That graph above is misleading.

    Of course it doesn't take as much money to go a higher percentage in debt when that debt was not as high in the first place.

    No it isn't. Liberals have a remarkable ability to selectively present facts.

    Dealing with percentage increases is kind of contorted way of viewing things.
     
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    I just told you - the 10th amendment.

    Kind of thick, aren't you??
     
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    They can - if they can muster enough support to amend the Constitution.

    The Constitution was designed to restrict the FedGov; and, to prevent the unstable condition of democracy.
     
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    Better go tell everyone at the EPA, FCC, FAA and Fanny/Freddy that they’re all out of a job, lol.
     
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    unfortunately, deluded right wingers fail to note that the Constitution has a Federal supremacy clause and a necessary and proper clause which gives the Federal government authority
     
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    Neither of which gives the FedGov authority to engage in any activity outside of the enumerated powers.

    You guys should try reading the Federalist Papers, you might learn something.
     
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    I agree with you that the obvious intent of the authors and framers of the Constitution clearly intended it to contain a defined set of descriptions, with the powers of each branch of government enumerated with equal clarity. Anything outside those descriptions was to be set aside only to the individual states, and "to the people".

    It does have a "supremacy clause", but I feel that even that 'supremacy' applies only to areas that had been clearly and properly identified as being within its purview -- exactly as defined and restricted by the descriptions in the Constitution itself. You're probably right -- the correct way to change this would be to amend the Constitution.

    But the problem NOW is that the intent and utilization of the 10th Amendment was forever crippled and hobbled by "The Great Emancipator" (and even greater tyrant), Abraham Lincoln. Lincoln proved for all time that by the use of overpowering military force, the central "Federal" government could, and WOULD use any means it wished to exert its independently-contrived, arbitrarily-enforced will on any of the individual states it wished. And that premise has never successfully been challenged since....
     
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