US defence boss: We could refuse a nuclear strike order from Donald Trump

That was YOUR premise not mine. You were the one carping about how a conventional attack on North Korea could leave them with one nuclear missile left to launch.

But I guess that means we need to follow your advice and launch a pre-emotive nuclear attack on North Korea, killing millions of innocent civilians, and poisoning millions more with Fallout, including South Koreans that you claim to care so much about, while you sit comfortably thousands of miles from threat of radiation poisoning.

Correction, not a preemptive strike. Just a first strike. A preemptive strike would require some kind of real evidence that North Korea was preparing a strike of their own.

 

Did I specifically say one missle left? If so that would be a wishful thinking best case scenario and not one that I would base policy on. You'd have to assume a real life best case scenario of one missle silo left and I have no idea how many actual missles that would or could be.

 

Silos hold a single missile. But to get past all the interceptors that could be available, they’d need at least a couple dozen surviving missiles to guarantee they could make it through.

There’s not way a conventional strike would miss that many silos.

But no, you are right. We can’t be certain so we need to sit in our archairs thousands of miles from Fallout zone and condemn millions of people to death and millions more to potentially lethal radiation poisoning. You are the essence of bravery.

 

You are defining silo in the strictest interpretation whereas I mean silo as in a silo complex but that's beside the point because even you admit it's unlikely we'd take them all out in a conventional attack. As far as sitting in armchairs a thousand miles away and deciding the fate of others I'd rather error on the side of our friends rather than our enemies which you seem more prone to do from your armchair.

 

Well I was hoping to hear back from the other guy I gave the starwars link too before I left but maybe tomorrow. As for today I'm enforcing my 9am curfew on this forum and off to real life. Don't want to get into being sucked into this all freaking day ya know.

 

With modern sensors, missing an entire silo complex is not going to happen. Missing an individual silo or maybe a couple of them because of CEP errors or failure of weapons to properly guide is possible. But any plan worth it’s SALT is going to have the Patriots and THAAD on high alert and extra AEGIS ships in the area. One or two surviving missiles aren’t going to get through.

Right, you want to see millions of our friends poisoned with radioactive fallout while you bravely sit thousands of miles from any risk.

 

All I will say (haven't read the posts) is that the major reason to impeach this mentally and emotionally unbalanced Commander-in Chief, absent a a firm high crime/ misdemeanor, is his capacity to destroy the planet. I am so much more generous with definitions of an act of impeachment if the planet is at risk with HIM on the button. . I personally lose interest in impeachment at present with a nice firm check in place.

 

#3 exposed the fact that as your own "source" you were not well informed at all on the subject matter of missile defense.

Furthermore your link does nothing at all to support your bogus allegation about the funding and instead refutes it.

The concept of missile defense originated as soon as there were intercontinental missiles which was the 1950's. The original Project Nike was partially successful but it still wasn't capable of taking out ICBM's. The development continued throughout the 1960's with ABM technology in place around major US cities. However the 1969 SALT talks limited the use of ABM's to just ICBM sites.

St Reagan was opposed to MAD so he initiated and fully funded the Strategic Defense Initiative that was later renamed as the Ballistic Missile Defense Organization in the 1990's. It has been continuously funded from it's inception.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Missile_defense#History

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Strategic_Defense_Initiative

Next time you are called out for posting bogus allegations I recommend that you follow the advice in #3 and do your research before continuing.

 

My initial allegation that you challenged was that we'd probably be farther along with missles defense if the democrats hadn't killed Reagan's "star wars" initiative for political reasons. You said that never happened and I showed you that you were mistaken. Next subject.

 

What I want to see is NK stopped from becoming a major nuclear power so millions of our friends and possibly even us are not incinerated and poisoned. You seem to take the Chamberlain approach that we can appease our way out of this but history tells us different. The longer you wait the worse it gets and the can has been kicked down the road for so long that Trump has the final choice if stopping Kim or letting him become a major nuclear power on his watch. It's unfortunate that it's come to this but here we are.

 

BZZZT Wrong on ALL counts!

St Reagan's missile defense initiative was never "killed" by the Dems and you have utterly failed to prove that it was.

Not surprising that you want to run away from your failure on this topic rather than own up to it.

 

From the link I gave you that you obviously didn't read.

"Senator Ted Kennedy made killing SDI a priority, and Senator John Kerry called the program “a cancer.”

Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/artic...-wars-initiative-huge-success-despite-critics

 

So what?

The SDI was NOT killed so it continued to be funded.

The only thing that actually happened was that the Dems RENAMED it to the BMDO instead.

Your bogus allegation is nothing more than factless alt right disinformation.

 

As I said the democrats demagogued and did everything they could to stop Reagan's SDI and Kennedy made it his number one priority to defeat. They didn't succeed in defeating it but they did succeed in underfunding it so that all of the avenues Reagan proposed could not be researched so in essence it was killed as originally proposed. Also as I originally said if Democrats had cooperated and not demagogued and underfunded SDI we would likely be much farther along than we are today. That's just undeniable and even Democrats are now tacitly admitting Reagan was right and Democrats were wrong as they and you rely on SDI based technology today. Once again Reagan or St Reagan as you call him was right. Next subject.

 

More nonsense!

Let's just recap your bogus allegations for the record;

#119

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#127

Nowhere have you PROVEN that the Dems killed the SDI programs or that they underfunded it or that it would be "further along" for that matter.

I have provided you with FACTUAL LINKS of the SDI/BMDO and shown that it was an offshoot of earlier missile defense programs that BEGAN in the 1950's and that St Reagan set up the SDI program that has continued on to this day after being renamed the BMDO in the 1990's.

All you have done is to make baseless allegations that you have not substantiated because you can't.

Those are the FACTS!

 

I gave you a link showing Democrats did everything they could to completely kill SDI so without wasting my time trying to verify every detail of the era it's undeniable Reagan was right and Democrats were wrong. That's the main issue here and it's undeniable.

 

What is undeniable is that you have FAILED to prove your utterly bogus allegations.

 

They are already a nuclear power. There is no stopping them from becoming one.

What appeasement? Is MAD appeasement?

 

You have stated in the past that THADD and Patriot can't hit an ICBM or a MRBM. But now you're saying it will?

 

They most definitely can hit them IN THE TERMINAL PHASE, ie when they are launched against missiles that are striking a target within a couple hundred miles.

What they can’t do is shoot down missiles in the boost or midcourse phases.

So you lie about me notwithstanding, my position is entirely consistent.

 

I said a "major"nuclear power and they are not there yet but soon will be with ICBMs capable of hitting US cities in mass. MAD has worked with rational countries with rational leaders but NK under kim is not in that category

 

Kim is no less rational than the dictators that used to run the Soviet Union or Cold War era China.

 

http://www.faithwire.com/2017/09/20...fector-reveals-secret-kim-jong-un-atrocities/

 

And those are worse than the attrocities committed by Stalin or Mao how exactly?