US Deploys Two More Aircraft Carrier Strike Groups Toward Korean Peninsula: Media.....

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  1. jimmy rivers

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    https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/09/balkans1

    "Bad weather persistently prevented British laser-guided "smart" bombs from identifying targets."
     
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    Exactly, we did have laser guidance back then and it was weather dependent.
    Not to mention foliage dependent too.

    A nuke should do it. Or any other area of effect system. Flak for example or an anti aircraft missile.
     
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    I suppose drones and lasers both threaten to nullify that particular threat. Makes me wonder if we might not see world war return after that point.
     
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    Lasers don't threaten much. Mirrored paint on the missile. They are also massive in nature. The one they use at the moment is mounted on a 747. they are talking about ship mounted ones too currently.

    The problem for lasers that size is the cooling system. I used two petrol tankers full of water to cool the worlds biggest laser at Glastonbury one year. You can't mount 80 tons of water to just anything.

    Plus, on the next cloudy day, you get nuked anyway.
     
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    +1, not just claims but fakes
    http://www.stopfake.org/en/news/
     
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    US Army to Test Powerful New Truck-Mounted Laser ‘Within Months’.....
    New solid-state lasers plus ever-more-powerful mobile generators brings directed energy weapons a big step closer to reality.....

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    Progress in battlefield lasers is exceeding some of the most optimistic expectations of just a few years ago. The latest evidence comes from Lockheed Martin, which on Thursday announced a new record:: 58 kilowatts of direct power from a solid-state fiber laser. Lockheed will send it to the Army in a matter of months for testing on a High Energy Laser Mobile Test Truck, or HELMTT, according to Lockheed’s Robert Afzal, a senior fellow for laser and sensor systems. But Afzal says that the scalability of the laser opens up use on everything from drones to massive ships and at different levels of power.

    The new laser puts 40 percent of available energy into its beam, which is considered very high for solid-state lasers.

    The Defense Department put out the call for a 50-kilowatt laser in 2014, looking to upgrade the 10-kilowatt beam on its High-Energy Laser Mobile Demonstrator project, or HEL MD, launched in 2011.

    It’s an important breakthrough for solid-state, combined-beam fiber lasers. Unlike the chemical lasers that the military was experimenting with decades ago, solid-state lasers require no volatile chemicals to produce high-powered beams. A combined-beam fiber laser operates a bit like a prism, pulling together different beams of light and squishing them into one. The more fiber optics you add, the more energy you get out the other end. That allows you to vary the size for different applications......snip~

    http://www.defenseone.com/technolog...laser-within-months/136239/?oref=search_Laser mounted on Truck
     
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    I think lasers are a dead end in terms of offensive weapons in and of themselves.
    Look at the size of the one in your truck. And it doesn't even do anything new Doesn't add any military capability at all.

    They used that to target mortars and gunnery target drones.


    Now look at this which does the same.
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    Real, working, tested and in use already.
     
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    Is that Chemical induced?


    The more fiber optics you add, the more energy you get out the other end. That allows you to vary the size for different applications......snip~

    Hence the one for ships and already in use. The US Air Force is already working with one on planes.
     
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    Yes, that is a chemical powered weapon system. Gun powder.
    It's the GAU 8. The Vulcan cannon of an A10.

    It's also deployed on many ships and the odd airframe. This is probably in Afghanistan. Judging by the flag it's an American one.
    We use them at our bases too. And on our ships.
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    The Israeli's use a missile based system. Iron Dome for the same job.
     
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    As usual you sit in the peanut gallery hurling insults and fallacy and backing your claims up with nothing.
     
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    Are they going in the right direction this time? Or is there more "bravado" and miscommunication?
     
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    The Marshalls are 4200 miles closer to North Korea than they are to California, and Koreans have living memories of the terror caused by US bombs and missiles:

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/17/the-problem-is-washington-not-north-korea/

    "“In the early 1950s, during the Korean War, the US dropped more bombs on North Korea than it had dropped in the entire Pacific theater during World War II. This carpet bombing, which included 32,000 tons of napalm, often deliberately targeted civilian as well as military targets, devastating the country far beyond what was necessary to fight the war. Whole cities were destroyed, with many thousands of innocent civilians killed and many more left homeless and hungry…."
     
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    When weren't they going in the Right direction? Oh, you must have fell for the LAME Stream Media thought about what was taking place with the Vinson.

    That's been debunked already.
     
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    Its still not close enough.....and of course it has nothing to do over the Compact with the RMI. Nor does it have anything to do with N Korea lobbing missiles at Japan saying they were target practicing on American bases in Japan.


    In 1986, the Compact of Free Association with the United States entered into force, granting the Republic of the Marshall Islands (RMI) its sovereignty. The Compact provided for aid and U.S. defense of the islands in exchange for continued U.S. military use of the missile testing range at Kwajalein Atoll. The independence procedure was formally completed under international law in 1990, when the UN officially ended the Trusteeship status pursuant to Security Council Resolution 683......snip~


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marshall_Islands
     
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    I was referring to THIS. . .which is a REAL story. Sorry. . . I know it makes Trump look even more senile than usual. . .but apparently he managed one more time to put the blame on others. . .i.e., the "miscommunication with the Navy!"

    Now. . .why don't you present a FACTUAL source that shows that this story was "debunked," and by whom?

    Revealed: How Donald Trump's North Korea 'armada' was actually ...
    www.telegraph.co.uk › News
    15 hours ago - ... of was still far from the Korean peninsula, and headed in the opposite direction. ... North Korea should not test Donald Trump, Mike Pence warns ... The aircraft carrier USS Carl Vinson transits the Sunda Strait in an ... From April 16-18, the website Go Navy reported that the Vinson was in the Indian Ocean.
     
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    Perhaps Trump sees Syria and North Korea as useful distractions from his impeachment?

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2017/04/19/trumps-tax-returns-whats-there-to-hide/

    "The real reason that Donald Trump will never publish his tax returns is likely summed up in two words: foreign reporting.

    "While foreign reporting requirements can often be separate from a person’s tax filings, Form 8938: Statement of Specified Foreign Financial Assets is required to be filed with the tax returns of individuals who have certain valuable overseas foreign assets, and Donald Trump likely has dozens, if not hundreds, of such reportable foreign financial assets.

    "The 'smoking gun' in Donald Trump’s tax returns is most likely that he has so much of his wealth in foreign assets that his personal financial interests are irreconcilable with the interests of the American people, and his tax returns, if published in their entirety, would reveal conflicts of interests so intractable and damning that they would be without precedent in modern political history.

    "America’s foreign policy may be driven in large part by which specific countries Donald Trump has chosen to invest his father’s fortune in."
     
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    This, and/or he's had close dealings with shady and corrupt characters abroad.

    He really should be impeached just by virtue of his mental incapacity and severe personality disorder(s) alone, anyway. He is not able to accomplish much beyond making a spectacle of himself, helping his family and friends using presidential powers, and angering and frightening the rest of the world.
     
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    North Korea is "lobbing missiles at Japan.." because the US has been lobbing missiles and bombs at North Korea for the last 67 years, killing millions of civilians in the process. Your Compact with the RMI red herring wasn't particularly well thought out, was it?
     
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    And I doubt he's ever found time to read Hegel:

    https://www.thenation.com/article/this-is-whats-really-behind-north-koreas-nuclear-provocations/

    " On November 8, 2016, nearly 66 million voters for Hillary Clinton received a lesson in Hegel’s 'cunning of history.'

    "A bigger lesson awaits Donald Trump, should he attack North Korea.

    "It has the fourth-largest army in the world, as many as 200,000 highly trained special forces, 10,000 artillery pieces in the mountains north of Seoul, mobile missiles that can hit all American military bases in the region (there are hundreds), and nuclear weapons more than twice as powerful as the Hiroshima bomb (according to a new estimate in a highly detailed Times study by David Sanger and William Broad)"
     
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    Yeah I figured you would try to go with what the Lame Stream Media was running with. So without further adieu.


    USS Carl Vinson carrier strike group changes course, heads to North Korea.....


    The commander of U.S. forces in the Pacific ordered the U.S. Navy’s Carl Vinson carrier strike group to change course and head towards the Korean Peninsula in response to North Korea’s advancing weapons tests.


    The change of direction was announced on Saturday by the U.S. Pacific Command after the ships set sail from Singapore.

    The ships were earlier scheduled to visit ports in Australia but were ordered to sail north in a move interpreted as a message to the Pyongyang regime.

    The deployment of the carrier strike group to the Korean Peninsula comes following a meeting between Trump and Chinese president Xi Jinping during which both leaders agreed that North Korea should not be allowed to advance its nuclear weapons program.......snip~

    https://navaltoday.com/2017/04/10/u...ke-group-changes-course-heads-to-north-korea/



    Donald Trump declared 11 April 2017 that "North Korea is looking for trouble" with its nuclear weapons development program and urged China to rein in Pyongyang. Trump, in a pair of Twits, said, "If China decides to help, that would be great. If not, we will solve the problem without them!" The threat of force against North Korea has gained new credibility following U.S. airstrikes against Syria for using chemical weapons on its own people. US Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said the military strike against Syria was a warning to other countries, including North Korea, that "a response is likely" if they pose a danger.


    The distance from the Port of Singapore, Singapore to the Port of Busan (Pusan), in South Korea is 3,200 nautical miles. Assuming the Vinson strikegroup made best available speed, of about 30 knots, the sailing time would be about 4.5 days. With Vinson departing Singapore on 08 April 2017, the strike group would arrive in Korean waters 12-13 April 2017. April 15 is the anniversary of the birth of Kim Il Sung, North Korea's founder. And new launches of North Korean ballistic missiles, and possibly another nuclear test, are unlikely to be kept waiting.


    The US Navy sent the strike group toward the Korean Peninsula to bolster the US presence and send a message to North Korea. "Third Fleet ships operate forward with a purpose: to safeguard U.S. interests in the Western Pacific," Commander Dave Benham, director of media operations for the U.S. Pacific Command Third Fleet said 08 April 2017. “US Pacific Command ordered the Carl Vinson Strike Group north as a prudent measure to maintain readiness and presence in the Western Pacific,” Commander Dave Benham, spokesman at US Pacific Command, said. “The number one threat in the region continues to be North Korea, due to its reckless, irresponsible and destabilizing program of missile tests and pursuit of a nuclear weapons capability,” he added.


    http://www.globalsecurity.org/milita...-westpac17.htm

    Now there is the real story.....with the LAME Stream media being the last in the knowing. What the Lame Stream didn't know was that the Vinson was headed for exercises with the Aussies around Australia. Then was told to turn around.

    Of course, they and the majority of civilians don't know what it means and all it entails with a Carrier Group turning around and with that change of course. :laughing:
     
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    Sure it was.....as the US hasn't been lobbying Missiles anywhere close to N Korea.

    Nor was the US lobbying Missiles at another country just to take target practice at N Korea.

    So truthfully you really didn't think that out.
     
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    For posters who don't know their geography, that's the wrong side of Malaysia as far as steaming to Korea goes, and heading the wrong direction.
    Trump lied, but not his usual brand of idiotic easy to prove wrong lie, a new brand of extremely dangerous idiotic, easy to prove wrong lie that could have started a war.

    What that bloody idiot is doing as president of a country is beyond me - the American voting public must have been insane, or at least the 20+% that voted for him.
     
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    ICBMs launched from Vandenberg splash down 4200 miles from California and 1400 miles from North Korea, a country the US bombed into the stone age within living memory. Coupled with annual "war games" involving US forces and its South Korean puppet that foreshadow an invasion of NK, most thinking Koreans decided long ago that nuclear weapons were the only way of making the bully back off.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foal_Eagle#Reactions

    "Like earlier Team Spirit exercises, Foal Eagle exercises have been a source of controversy with the government of North Korea and domestic South Korean critics. In response to the start of Key Resolve/Foal Eagle 2008, North Korea's Committee for the Peaceful Reunification of the Fatherland issued a statement via the official Korean Central News Agency (KCNA) that read in part:

    "'Dialogue and confrontation, peace and war can never go together. We will sternly take self-defensive steps to defend peace and stability of the Korean Peninsula.[49]'

    "Also, for Key Resolve/Foal Eagle 2010, KCNA quoted North Korea's military high command warning about the upcoming ROK-U.S. joint exercise as follows:

    "'The units of the three services of the Korean People’s Army (KPA) should keep themselves fully ready to go into action in order to blow up the citadel of aggressors once the order is issued.'"
     
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    That's monstrous. Were the Communist forces similarly indiscriminate in their attacks?
     
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    Interesting, and here is an interesting comment from that page:

    Henry H Gaffney Jr says:
    March 23, 2017 at 8:52 pm

    I keep commenting on these kinds of articles that Kim Jong Un, on declaring that he was now a nuclear power, used the word "deterrence." He used it yesterday, too. He lives to deter the attack by the U.S. and South Korea that he has otherwise considered inevitable. He wants to deter that attack by threatening nuclear retaliation. This basic concept of nuclear strategy, which we in the U.S. had finally realized by the end of the 1950s, is what he's talking about. However, among Americans who pretend to know strategic matters these days, the word "deterrence" never appears. It is after all, far too existential (in the Camusian sense) a concept for us these days.
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    And another:

    Jeffrey Harrison says:
    March 23, 2017 at 1:03 pm

    Very interesting and informative. Thank you.
    You should realize that America's (the press and government) inability to recognize the historical antecedents of today's behavior is not limited to just Korea. The corollary to history is written by the victors is that current narrative is controlled by the powerful. Thus egregious American behavior is ignored by narrative writers whereas other behavior is condemned if it isn't subservient to "Western" plans. Thus the difference in the reportage of Aleppo and Mosul. Thus the hysteria over RT and other Russian news outlets that have grown into real news organizations from their mendacious state organ beginnings.
     
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