US F-22s came face-to-face with Russia's top fighter near Alaska and were at a major disadvantage

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    https://www.businessinsider.com/us-...35-over-alaska-at-a-major-disadvantage-2018-9

    And so on any type of weapons. Russian weapons are superior to American weapons.
    The only consolation of the crazy in the Pentagon is the presence of US aircraft carriers. Russia does not have aircraft carriers because Russia is the most peaceful country in the world. In addition, aircraft carriers are anachronism in modern warfare. This is the same as the catapult from the Middle Ages. Once it was a serious weapon, but now it's just a easy target for "Caliber" rockets.

    Russia is forced to have better weapons to preserve peace throughout the world. Because the madmen in the White House and the Pentagon are ready to start a nuclear war at any moment. Unfortunately, ordinary Americans fall prey to madmen in the White House and the Pentagon.
    I always said that the American people are the first victim of aggressive madmen in the White House and the Pentagon.

    What do you think about it?
     
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    What do I say? Thank you for that update from Pravda, Comrade. Say "hi" to Putin for us.
     
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    So you're trying to promote that Russia has achieved some new advancements in aerodynamics, and flying "dirty", with the tremendous drag exposed weapons have on air surfaces is an advantage.

    That's amazing!
     
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    You think that the Business Insider is the agents of the KGB? Or you claim that "Russian hackers" hacked "Business Insider"? :roflol::roflol::roflol:

    I think in the US paranoia is transmitted by airborne droplets. And now, judging by the statements of such as "Russian hackers have appointed the US President," there is an epidemic of paranoia in the United States.
     
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    No. This military experts claim that the Russian aircraft 4th generation surpasses the American airplane of the 5th generation. And pay attention. This is what US military experts say.
     
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    I was just commenting on the article. It claims the aircraft wings covered with weapons offers superior advantages.

    But I see what you're getting at. I misunderstood. It's saying that if a Russian fighter decides to intrude into US airspace, the fact it is covered in visible weapons puts in at an advantage.

    As the Captain said, he would use the superior advantage of stealth rather than an old school dog fight. I guess in that manner, the F-22 can just blow the SU35 out of the sky before the Russian knew he was there.

    I'm struggling to see how that means advantage SU35.
     
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    In this case it gives a capability advantage in it being able to threaten the F22.
    To provide visible deterrent and being able to indicate it's willingness to attack visibly.
    Imagine for example F22's radio was broken.
    It can still send that signal.
    This is not a combat advantage. It is a role advantage. It can do more..

    Once detected, as it was in this case, the F 22 is at a combat disadvantage. It's design has sacrificed performance for stealth.

    So in this scenario we are not playing to the F22's comparative strengths.


    I wouldn't bet that the F 22 has missiles of greater range than the SU 35's ability to detect F 22.
    The stealth advantage might give it the option to get close enough to engage.
    For example. 6 F 22's sneak into engagement range with 2 Su 35's.
    Had they been detected earlier. The Su 35's would have retreated out of range.
    Refused to give battle in a fight they would expect to lose.

    In Serbia the Serb air force flew every day. The Foxbats never got shot down.
    They are mega fast, unless they are the dominant force they can just fly off.
     
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    What is this all about? Did Trump say his wanker is bigger than Putin's? It's the only thing I can think of that would get Putin's infowar army on the roll again.
     
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    In Serbia - and this was back in the late 1990's - The Serbs were able to see and hit two F117 Stealth bombers and they also took out an F16. This was done using modified 1970's missile technology.

    The advantage of the F-22 - as stated in the article is Stealth - not in the planes ability to dogfight. Same with the F-35. An F-16 is projected to beat an F-35 in a dogfight.

    The problem is that this assumes "Strealth Planes" are stealthy - and they are not. " The first thing to know about Stealth is that it is a Scam - it doesn't work"

     
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    It works to an extent, whether that extent will be decisive in a combat is unknown.

    F 117 with greater stealth than the F22 which is stealth lite, was shot down.
    So they know it's radar image and that was all they needed.

    At the same as much as these people are idiots... they really aren't idiots.
    F 117 worked with impunity over Iraq.

    The technology is well tested and tried. If they didn't believe it gave advantage they wouldn't be using it.

    Personally I think it's all in the missiles anyway. I think a B52 with the right missiles = top fighter.
     
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    That is the most ridiculous premise I have read in ages....

    Our Fighting Aircraft are solid and our Pilots are solid....

    Instead of a fantasy speculation on what could happen in the skies over Alaska, how
    about discussing the " mysterious " drill holes in the Soyuz ISS capsule.....
    That is real and the fact that it was purposeful is VERY alarming !!!!
    And it happened on Russia soil !
     
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    The Russian plane would probably be hit before it even knew the F22 was there and the game is over. The idea is to destroy an opponent long before they can "see your big missiles", they only see them on radar just before impact.
     
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    Interesting... so I’ve looked up who Business Insider is, and here’s what wiki tells us:

    “Business Insider is an American financial and business news website published by Insider Inc. It operates international editions in the UK, Australia, China, Germany, France, South Africa, India, Italy, Indonesia, Japan, Malaysia, Netherlands, Nordics, Poland, Spain and Singapore”

    Are you sure, Business Insider is the mouthpiece for Pravda? :hiding:
     
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    I'd say this is about the dumbest summation I have ever read.
    If America and Russia went at it, which is not going to happen, but for the sake of argument.... the last thing that will happen is two Jets flying side by side.
    What a moron (author of article).... you think we would just fly in a bunch of F22's and fly around looking for their jets?
    We would see them, and knock them out before they even knew we were there.
    "Stealth is not an advantage".... good lord.... where did they find this guy?
     
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    Wonder no more:

    Alex Lockie
    Alex is a news editor and a military and foreign-policy blogger at Business Insider. He is from Atlanta. He attended Georgia State University.

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    That Stealth worked against Iraq in 2003 is hardly a comfort. Iraq had been in a war a decade early which destroyed most of Saddam's military. In the period after the Gulf war Iraq under an arms embargo and heavy sanctions which killed hundreds of thousands due to extreme poverty.

    Iraq simply had nothing to fight back with. What was left of Saddam's dilapidated 1970's technology was taken out with cruise missiles "Shock and Awe" right at the beginning of the war.

    This is kind of like comparing the British use of the gatling gun (back in the days of the British empire) to some African nation fighting back with sticks and stones.

    If we are talking a "real" enemy - the story-line changes dramatically.

    You hit the nail on the head in relation to missile technology - which has advanced and continues to advance at a rate far greater than the ability to defend. Unfortunately our enemies had and still seem to have better missile technology than we do - although we are rapidly catching up "Catching up" being the key phrase.

    The point of bringing up Serbia was simply to illustrate the fact that Stealth doesn't work. Serbia is not even close to being a military power but, they were able to detect (possibly with technical advice from the Russians) and hit 2 "Stealth" aircraft using antiquated 1970's technology.

    20 years later - using modern missile technology - is a completely different world.
     
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    They had an entire new Chinese built AA array.

    Apaches punched windows in it to start the air attack.

    1:27
     
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    They used 1950's technology to shoot it down.
    Radar guidance is not new tech.
     
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    Could you mail me whatever you are smoking as the former USSR and now Russia military hardware is junk compare to our and for that matter the west as a whole.

    Next the Russian military is being support by an economic that is about as large as Italy.
     
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    I forgot who said the US is an insane man in a Russian strait jacket, but I agree.

    I read about that incident. I doubt that the Russian plane was within US territorial waters, so where was it? Was it in disputed waters? I know that Russia does fear a war might break out in the Arctic. The only nation Russia has signed an agreement with over the delineation of territorial waters is Norway - that's why they're so rich. If only others could be so smart.:oldman:
     
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    I think the Russian jets were lucky there wasn't any combat.
     
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    And still it's 20 times the size of yours.
     
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    The Long wavelength radar used to detect the "Stealth" plane is 1950's .. the missiles used to shoot it down was not that old.
     
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    Not sure about their planes but, their missile technology is the best in the world.
     

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