US Falls to Third in Competitiveness

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  1. Starjet

    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Singapore leaps to first in economic competiviness.

    Question: Trump’s Tariffs? In one year, 1st to 3rd? Hong Kong has trade deficits, but yet has a higher per capita income. What’s the cause? Hong Kong and Singapore economies more capitalistic than America’s?

    Trump is not an economic genius defending free markets, he’s a dogmatic pragmatist appealing to the fears and ignorance of the American masses. While it is true he’s no Marxist or Engles , it is also true he’s no Frédéric Bastia; he's closer to Keynes in the economy, and an American ”Charles Maurras” in politics.

    His tariffs will lead to economic disaster.

    https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.sc...gapore-leapfrogs-over-hong-kong-and-us-become

    Trump may not be a fascist yet, but he is certainly on the road.
     
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    A 100% free market like America cannot compete with a mercantilist communist dictatorship like china

    They are robbing us blind
     
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    Oh don't worry as it relates to the list cited in the OP, China is not even top 10 by their metrics and is following economically competitive powerhouses like Ireland.
     
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    Singapore has a unified society and intense rule of law with intense enforcement. A divided, lax society can never compete with that.
     
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    Thank God he is no Marx
    Marx was an idiot. History has proven him to be so.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Agreed, but he ought to be more Ike Say, economically, than Keynes.
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What, freedom can’t beat tyranny? Thank goodness Washington, Franklin, and Jefferson didn’t think that.

    Not to mention, Hong Kong, Singapore, and Switzerland all having thriving economies, and they are far more capitalistic than merchantile.
     
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    India and China

    foreign imports and foreign outsourcing is some of the biggest threats to our economy right now... I am not sure if Trump can pull it off, but I hope so

    I heard he is now backing down on the 5g ban, this is confusing US companies, do they buy China equipment or wait for Americans to build it? do American companies build 5g or will China under price them and not make it worth it?

    Trump declares it a national security threat, then says he may allow it anyways?
     
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    China is economically cometative because its a centrally run enterprise
     
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    sure they can, if the government protects American companies with Tarrifs - Trump is starting to make Republicans see this

    cheap stuff is good when everyone has good jobs, but this is a double whammy, foreign imports and foreign outsourcing
     
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    Not if tyranny has a good game plan and sticks to it

    We have overcome disbolical dictatorships in the past

    But it was not a sure thing and without devine intervention we could have lost WWII

    And china is the greatest challenge of all
     
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    The 5g issue is a big one

    Austrailia has rejected the chinese but ritian and germany are waffling

    The West must be united on this if nothing else
     
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    Yes

    But what I meant was American companies having to deal with china individually without trump in their corner
     
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    You can hack anything with an operating system. Besides, China has a better plan. We should be worrying about that if we need something to worry about..
     
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    agree, I support Trump on Tariffs, Democrats support this, Republicans traditionally have not, this is one task I think Trump could do as he can bring both sides together to support it.. I hope he can pull it off and not let his ego get in the way, Trump fragile ego is his biggest weakness as it allows him to be easily manipulated

    had Tariff's always been there we would consider them the norm, as they were not and are now being added, there will be some short term pain, if Trump pulls it off the public will forgive him, if he doesn't, they wont be happy

    it's like the huge corporate tax cuts, much easier to give it then it is to take way

    people have become accustomed to cheap stuff vs quality stuff that last years longer, now if US companies just charge more for cheap stuff vs quality stuff, that would be a shame too, but they may take advantage of people liking cheap stuff too now that it's happened
     
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    God is our savior? No thanks—I’d rather count on man’s reason than his delusions. Which Trump’s tariffs and his supporters fear of China are. Nothing more, nothing less.

    Again, if China is a military threat, make the case, take away her “most favored nation status, and boycott her. But an economic threat, she can’t even beat Singapore or Switzerland on a per capita basis.

    Trump’s tariffs must logically have a detrimental effect on the American economy—it takes money from private wealth and puts in the hands of the state. This means less spending, less demand, less jobs, and less private wealth for American citizens.

    This is Econ 101.—classes Trump didn’t take, or failed miserably, or economic principles he delusionally believes his will can over rule.
     
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    China can do the hacking if we use their equipment... they will have their devices, their software updates on all communications infrastructure, this will include self driving cars, surgery, and tons more

    you think dealing with China is hard now, wait till they have that control too, they could shut us down hard

    I feel the same about India handling all of our IT needs

    these are National Security Risks
     
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    Of course China has a better plan. They steal technology secrets and use cheaper slave labor to make a cheaper product Americans buy. Are you for increasing American wages and better benefits?
     
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    I don't think you need to go to far to answer your questions.
    Did Whirlpool make a better washer and dryer? Did the US steel companies make better steel?
    How much pain do you need before you see the problem.
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    Do you think US companies were more competitive in overseas sales with the high cost of steel while the tariffs were on? Did they screw you? We always forget we export over $1.5 trillion a year. Ready to give that up?
     
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    5G is not a secret. It's a standard. First used in Korea.
     
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    LoL you're comparing 300 billion economies to a 19 trillion one.
     
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    Just for info.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...g-and-who-are-the-major-players-idUSKCN1GR1IN
     
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    Starjet Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Only reporting the news. Also, focusing on per capita, not GDP, which is overrated. The wealth of a nation is the wealth of its people--America is number 10. Why? Some of these countries ahead of the US, have much freer market economies, creating for the enterprising, fantastic opportunities to make a bundle. And they do it greedily and happily.

    Trump's tariffs are magic fairy dust sprinkled on the masses to mystify and satisfy the economically ignorant, the racially motivated, and the tribal nationalists.
     
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    Gee I wonder if it has anything to do with 4 thousand people with 6th grade educations streaming across the border every day.
     
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    This are the same arguments used against Japan; the fears were never realized, nor will they be with China.
     

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