US fuming over Israeli criticism of Kerry.....

Hmm, it's it ironic that you need to go 70+ years back, to a totally different era, to the time when the British occupiers were routinely hanging Jews and Arabs en-masse in Palestine, to come up with semi-legitimate examples of alleged terrorism. That this is the best you can do speaks volumes about the strength (or total lack of thereof) of your anti-Israel case.


So what about those hanging of Jews by British occupiers. Do you agree they were barbaric and appalling beyond imagination?

 

Did the Jews also kidnap and murder, by hanging, Britons? The Jews who were executed were tried before sentencing. The "Sergeants Affair" victims were not. As for "barbaric and appalling beyond imagination", I'll leave the emotive hyperbole to the expert...that would be you, by the way. In addition, I would suggest that booby-trapping the bodies of the murdered British soldiers falls well into the "barbaric and appalling" category, wouldn't you agree?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olei_Hagardom

 

Sure - british military occupiers to be precise. But the key word in your statement is "also". Why are you whining about Jewish terrorism 70 years ago when your own occupation army was a bunch of state-sponsored murderers, hangmen and savages at the time? (not much better now, mind you, you spilled more muslim blood in the last 10 years than Israel in all its 75 years of existence.)

 

He won't have a clue what you are talking about, Snake.

 

Oh please... the Zionists killed over 500 British peacekeepers.

 

British occupiers hung hundreds if not thousands of Jewish and Arab civilians. What kind of barbarism was that? Every one of those hangings was a war crime amounting to crime against humanity.

 

That's fair. Israel is a big boy now and can probably go in the big bad world on it's own now.

 

First off Bush held the Saudi King's hand. If Obama had done that to assist the King walk no one would have said a thing/

Secondly, your obsession with men kissing men is not the issue. I have never raised nor will I raise the decision of any leader to kiss another leader.

I was talking about Obama bowing as a subservient to a foreign King and kissing his ring.

Try keep up.

 

Ravishing Rick Rude. No way man. In his day there was Mr.Perfect, Razor Ramon, The Rock, Mr.Wonderful. No good.

Israel is greatful the US was and will be its ally. The US Israel alliance is about non Jewish Americans who have always at a grass roots levelsupported Israel as a democratic ally. The alliance is bigger than any leader.

In spite of Obama and Kerry, it will continue just as Canada's alliance continued when Nixon openly ridiculed Trudeau, Kennedy and Diefenbaker feuded, LBJ screamed at Lester B.Pearson and called him a homosexual (because of his lisp).

We Canadians absolutely hated LBJ, Nixon, cringed at George Bush Jr., did not buy into Reagan at all although our PM at the time Mulroney kissed his buttox repeatedly, loved the Kennedies, genuinely respected Eisenhower, Truman and FDR, loved Clinton found Carter to be a weirdo, but no matter, we always have been friends to the US. Leaders can not undo certain alliances that started and end with the people.

Americans get Israel. They also get why Israel would not like Obama and Kerry right now but appreciate the US for what its done/

Israel has been a tiny state but a crucial strategic ally of the US and will continue to be.It was there during the cold war, it will be there long after Obama is giving lectures on speaking debates around the country and his wife runs for the Presidency.

Ravishing Rick Rude by the way in real life was a Republican. The only Democrat wrestler I can think of was Adrian Adonis.

 

Yah you and Snake are just too awesome for me to deal with. Lol. Got me good.

Listen so you know. The attempt to suggest all people who supported Israel prior to 1948 were terrorists and no different than Hamas today, its been done, over and over and been responded to over and over. But hey wow and shazzam back at you. Lol.

Here let's try it one more time. At its peak Irgun never amounted to more than 1,000. The Stern-Levi gang, maybe 200 or so.

There were 470,000 Jewish Palestinians.

If you are suggesting these two are a significant amount of the Jews of Palestine do explain.

Haganah who you two history experts classified as terrorist were not. They did not engage in terrorism and denounced it. In fact the Palmach denounced what Irgun did and turned many in. But you knew that.

You also knew years later that when Begin and then Shamir were elected they had to swear allegiance to a country and laws that forbid terrorism. No no. Not you. In your world Begin and Shamir deliberately ordered missiles to be shot from Israeli homes at Palestinians then had their soldiers place themselves in Israeli homes.

Oh you now, that Begin, say now did he not meet with Sadat and engage in a peace deal that still exists? Yah that Begin. Say did you notice that Trout. Think Snake will?

You also know that when WW2 broke out the Irgun joined Haganah, formed an army of 30,000 soldiers who fought side by side the British in WW2.

Yes of course. You also know there was a Palestinian army that fought with these Jewish Palestinians as allies as well and after WW2 supported the right of Jews to come to Israel and denounced the Palestinian leadership and the Mullah of Jerusalem for being pro Nazi.

Say Trout did Snake notice that too?


Get out. You guys also knew that the Stern gang disbanded as WW2 started because Jablonski and Stern and some others were pro Mussolini which did not go over too well with Jewish Palestinians and they too had to disband or the Jewish people of Palestine would have arrested them. Get out. Did snake notice that?

Now see this attempt to take two fringe groups and portray all the Jews of Palestine as terrorist it's what I expect from you. Been done by both Margo and Phoebe and the other regular anti Israel posters.

Its also why I have repeatedly come on this forum in these discussions and stated I am not comfortable labelling all Palestinians terrorists because of Hamas-because its wrong when you do it to Israelis and Zionists and its wrong when any of us do it to Arabs, Muslims or Palestinians.

That's the difference between us. I talk of Palestinians as humans with a legitimate right to a country and being held hostage by Hamas to extremist suicidal views.

You on the other hand don't dare acknowledge the right of Jews to exist in their own state Instead you continue to engage in an exercise to slur and smeer all Jews who have a right to exist as a state collective. You need to dehumanize them all as terrorist. The fact they do not engage in terrorism does not matter. In your world if you have to reach back 70 years and go to the extreme inference that it makes all Jews terrorists for wanting to live in a Jewish state no problem.

Did I notice> You bet. Its called blood libel. In the past it was used to claim ALL Jews were evil because we chose to reject Jesus. Now we take out the word Jew and insert the word Zionist or Israeli or when you slip up,, Jew, and presto we can engage in the same exercise only now we arenot juist Christ Killers, but Palestinian killers.

Now speaking of smug,

How about you explain how what Irgun or the Stern Gang did makes what Hamas does right? Oh wait. yes I noticed...so...let's see now, at best you once again engage in the ludicrous exercise of suggesting to wrongs make a right, yet again.

Also you raise it in regards to an entirely different issue, showing yet again your need to change topics when you can't debate the topic at hand.

Oh come now. Keep up. I did notice how you and Snake switched the topic.

Now say, tell me. Explain how kissing the ring of a foreign King and bowing to him is an appropriate thing for a US leader to do.

Explain to me how appropriate it is for the US President to continually apologize on world stage to Putin and terrorists.

Did it ever dawn on you when Obama apologizes there is a time and a place. No not you. It makes sense in the middle of Hamas attacking Israel for Obama to stand up there and apologize for "torturing some folks".

Perfect timing,

I mean its absolutely perfect timing for Kerry right in the middle of Egypt telling Hamas to knock it off, to hold a meeting with Oman and Turkey and tell Egypt to leave Hamas alone. Made perfect sense. Certainly helped bring the conflict to an end.

You two geniuses said Israel had to get back to the table with Hamas. Uh yah. Did you notice that? I did. Tell me,how did this latest truce come about?

Did it come about because Kerry defended Hamas and told Egypt, Hamas will keep fighting if Israel doesn't unilaterally withdraw? Yah think?

Yah think it was Kerry who got Hamas to knock it off?

Lol. You do realize Hamas broke 4 truces Kerry allegedly arranged and so far the only one holding up was the original one Kerry tried to undo drafted by the Egyptian Intelligence Minister who told Hamas if they do not cool it Egypt will allow Israel to use the Sinai to surround Gaza and use a multiple pronged pincer movement and Egypt would be willing to do that rather than have an armed Hamas on its border?


Hmmmm?

Oh go one now you and Snake tell me again how that works, You guys. You are fun!

 

Damn straight. Wouldn't have a democrat on my avatar. Unless he's doing something stupid.

Razors Edge was awesome though.

 

It's called 'protocol' and nothing to do with subservience. Of course you knew that. Why is the president addressed as 'sir' or 'Mr. President' rather than 'Barack'? Because it's protocol. Why is there a complex system of degrees of bowing in Japan? Because it is protocol. Forms of diplomatic ceremony do not imply subservience except for those with an agenda.

 

Kerry is a moron and an imbecile just like his boss.
If anything, the Israelis went easy on him.



MARK LEVIN: "But what about John Kerry? Will he get his due? What do you mean, Mark? John Kerry, you know the Secretary of State. Did you know that John Kerry is an anti-Semite? Did you know that? The Democrat nominee in 2004, United States Senator from Massachusetts all those terms. A man who lied to the Senate Foreign Relations Committee in 1971, when he turned on all our brave men and women in uniform fighting in Vietnam. He gave aid and comfort to the Vietnamese, the Communist Vietnamese in the Vietcong. Oh, am I allowed to say all these things? Well, it's true.

Now he's giving aid and comfort to the terrorists in the Middle East. Let there be no mistake about it. Now he's giving aid and comfort to the Jew-haters in the Israel-haters in the Middle East and not just there! This man is a disgrace and he should resign, and he won't resign. Par for the course in this administration. Par for the course. What did he do now, you ask. You wont hear this endlessly on the radio networks, you won't see this endlessly on cable news. No you won't.

Instead, we're focused on that jackass basketball owner, instead of the jackass Secretary of State. That's right, I said it! And I don't use this word anti-Semite frivolously. If somebody happens to disagree with me, that's fine, but a pattern is evidence. And now, Kerry warns, t hat Israel risks becoming an apartheid state. Like South Africa. No Secretary of State has ever said that about our ally Israel. Ever. And what's gonna happen him? Who's gonna denounce him? More when I return. (Mark Levin Show, April 28, 2014)

VIDEO: http://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2014/04/28/mark_levin_john_kerry_is_an_anti-semite.html

 

Ignorance is a thing to behold, isn't it? Bloody hillbillies.

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I seriously doubt the US or the WH is upset about Kerry being mocked.. That has been the case since Eisenhower... Israel had rejected every effort for a just peace.

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I seriously doubt the US or the WH is upset about Kerry being mocked.. That has been the case since Eisenhower... Israel had rejected every effort for a just peace.

 

Who is a Hillbilly?

 

People who are so ignorant of diplomatic protocols.

 

Well the Chinese didn't.....nor did the Russians. But then they didn't think he was one of the brightest bulbs out of the bunch anyways

 

There is no such protocol in the US... No such a thing with no President in fact, the American Flag is NEVER dipped for any one at any price... This the American Protocol !!!

 

Indeed. That would mean about 99% of all human beings are hillbillies. Interesting.

 

Well said my friend - well said .

 

The Israelis aren't killing Christians .
The muslims are killing Christians .
Israel is our only reliable friend in the region .
What part of COMMON SENSE in the above don't you understand ? Or are you a member of the second statement . Let us know ?

 

The above (blue text) is why I despise Kerry and all he represents. He is a coward a traitor and has committed treason in the past.
He is a good example of a modern politician and why I have washed my hands of our corrupt government, well as much as possible.

reva

 

You believe Mark Levine?

The Israeli government has always mocked US peace envoys.

 

I like Mark Levine far better than Kerry as a person. I really trust no government not the USA's not Israel's, none. The world is being duped and the worlds governments are a big part of the problem. I literally can not believe how naive normal intelligent people have become. From speaking to shoppers at the market to watching world events unfold on the tube.....but thats another topic.....~



reva