US gun culture is 'corrupting the world,'

Today

With the slaying of Australian college ballplayer Christopher Lane ... the world again reacts to the U.S. where we lead the world in death by firearms and as a nation of savages ...

And where you will not hear from Lapierre and the NRA on this one simply because murdering-savages have 2nd Amendment Rights and there is no longer any referendum on firearms nor gun-control legislation ...


US gun culture is 'corrupting the world,' Australia ex-deputy PM says after Okla. slaying

http://usnews.nbcnews.com/_news/201...lia-ex-deputy-pm-says-after-okla-slaying?lite

MELBOURNE, Australia -- Furious at the killing of an Australian college baseball player in Oklahoma, a senior figure in the victim's home country blamed the “gun culture” of United States for the death, saying it was “corrupting the world."


“The U.S. has chosen the pathway of illogical policy with regard to guns," Australia’s former deputy prime minister Tim Fischer said Friday.
"They cannot expect not to have any criticism of it worldwide.”

“I am angry because it is corrupting the world, this gun culture of the United States.”


His remarks came as the family of slain catcher Christopher Lane struggled to understand why three teens killed him, apparently telling cops they were bored.

"He was a kid on the cusp of making his life," the victim’s father, Peter, told The Age newspaper in Melbourne.
"He gave up a lot to follow his dreams.
There's not going to be any good come out of this because it was just so senseless."

Lane, 22, had left Melbourne to attend East Central University in Ada, Oklahoma, where he was on a baseball scholarship.


Fischer said the lack of gun control in the U.S. had led to a massacre “each and every year since 1996” - in contrast to Australia, which has restrictions on firearms ownership.

He said the majority of illegally obtained guns used in crimes in Australia and Mexico had come from the U.S.

He added that he was not against guns, and kept weapons at his rural home, but added: "I am in favor of firearms sensible regulations to have the best of both worlds.

"Anybody can tomorrow go to a gun show in Oklahoma or California and buy a gun without a simple background check.
That is illogical.”


He also said Australians should “think twice” before visiting the U.S.

"I’m not using the word boycott but I do say Australians should think twice and take into acct the risk of going to the USA in the circumstances that unfold there," saying visitors would be "15 times more likely to be shot dead than if they stayed in Australia, per capita."


In a statement on an a website set up to raise money for the funeral, Lane's family said they were "touched" by the donations, which by Friday morning had rocketed past the $15,000 target - topping $123,000.

“We are so grateful for everyone’s generosity and truly touched by the support we have received,” they said in a statement posted on the site.
“We are blessed now be able to give Chris the farewell he deserves.”

Michael Veal, who played alongside Lane on the East Central University's baseball team, set up the fund Monday to help pay for his friend’s family to fly from Australia and receive his body, before taking it back home to be buried.

“Every cent is greatly appreciated and all donations will go right to his family! I recently spoke to Chris's father and he told me that if there is any money left over they will start a Christopher Lane Foundation,” he wrote.

Lane's body was expected to be flown back to Australia later Friday.


Slain college ballplayer Christopher Lane, 22, "was a kid on the cusp of making his life," according to his father.

 

Everytime you read the news lately, it sure seems that way. Human life has lost it's value in todays America. It's far deeper than the gun.

 

Odd, the Socialists flooded the third world with AK-47's and that was not much of an issue with the Left at the time.














Then, there is the gun running of the Obama admin into Mexico and the Attorney General of the United States' perjury in front of congress?

"Hey hey Obama and com-pa-ny, how many Mexican kids did your guns kill today?"

 

In this case it was the black culture of violence that killed the white kid from Australia.

We have another story of a white 89 year old WWII vet who was beaten to death by two black hoodlums with no gun involved.

Blame black race hustlers like Al Sharpton, Jamie Foxx and Barack Obama for these deaths because they are the ones inciting black violence against whites.

 

Exactly Don, so many liberals are too (*)(*)(*)(*)ing ignorant to realize it isn't the gun, but the culture that murders innocent people. I am saddened by the fact that we will soon have a civil war in this nation propagated by left wing racist radicals, who are just like the al qaeda islam-o-nazis. Liberalism really is a mental disorder.

 

"Corrupted the world"? In what way? Is Australia over run with guns? I hadn't heard that news.

 

Hey there, why did Republicans vote down legislation that could have helped this sitution

 

That's because here on this forum only a couple of the usual whites post blacks killing whites threads ... so it only seems that way.

 

It was a whistle blower within government that spilled the beans on Obama and Holders gun running operation.

No new laws were needed to expose it and put an end to it.

 

Absolutely, which is why focusing on a mythical "gun culture" doesn't even address the real problem behind the violence, much less remedy it. It's a worthless distraction that enables people to dance around uncomfortable and inconvenient truths...

 

There are so many examples of black on white violence to post.

It seems that way because it really is.

 

I always find it interesting that the advocates for Right of Self Defense are condemned while those that are advocating more gun control laws are not. Both sides are extremists where there are pragmatic solutions that both sides should agree to. For example....

Many gun control advocates state that there are no background checks for private firearm sales which is true because a private person cannot run a background check. The FBI NCIS database limits access to FFL's. They complain about Americans not doing something that our government prevents them from doing.

We could have background checks on private gun sales tomorrow if Congress voted to have the FBI NCIS database opened up so a private person could run a background check. We don't require a "mandate" to run these checks because law-abiding gun owners want to run this check. They don't want to sell a firearm to a person prohibited from owning one.

A law tomorrow opening up the FBI NCIS database so that private individuals could access it, without a mandate to use it which would be ignored by criminals anyway, would pass both Houses of Congress with no opposition. Why this hasn't been done amazes me because I personally would run a background check if I could do it from my home computer were I to sell a firearm. As it is I can't so obviously I won't do it.

 

So there should be no effort to stem the movement of illegal guns to Mexico?

 

It sure is.

The real issue here is the mindset today that one can take a life at all. Seems to be happening far too frequently. Somewhere along the line that fear of committing a crime which you would pay dearly for has been lost.
The tool being used to do so is irrelevant.

 

Thanks for pointing that out, Mac.

But let's not talk about what's behind that killing, let's distract ourselves with "gun culture" talk...

 

There was legislation to create a more moral society? Republicans blocked something like that? Tell us more...

 

The way I understand it is, the Feds were insisting on this gun shop sell these weapons to the gun runners, regardless if they passed background checks or not. I haven't seen any stats that talk about otherwise legally purchased guns making their way to Mexico, but it would be interesting to see.

 

Right you are again, Rich.

Instead of bleating about guns, I think it would be more helpful to be asking questions such as "what is making many young Americans think and behave like sociopaths?" and "is the garbage that is incessantly spewing out of the media and entertainment industry glamorizing and encouraging sociopathic thinking and behavior?", etc., etc.

 

They wont ask that though, because it reflects directly on their mindset IMO.

For generations we've had a crowd in power with the mindsets of ...everyone deserves a second chance. The no responsibility mindset that looks for anything to use to not hold someone accountable...oh she was battered, post partum depression...insane for that half hour when you want to be...and of course those who are simply to weak to even execute murderers in cases when there is no doubt, the "moral high grounders"...anything at all to not hold someone accountable.

Over time watching and knowing this is how we treat it...why wouldn't someone develop a "gambler mentality" when it comes to this kind of thing. Maybe you can kill and get off due to your age...maybe you can bargain your sentence down...maybe you can turn it into you needing mental care...a million reasons today why you can choose to murder someone, and lo and behold...it's not really your fault!

It all devalues the human life taken.

Too much Liberal bullcrap that has 0 to do with the gun, but the gun makes a nice talking point so they don't have to look in the mirror at the mess they've created by their mindset.

I think it's an easy fix, but it would take time to see the results and quite frankly I don't think we have the stomach for it any longer.

 

Obama was not trying to stem the illegal flow of guns to Mexico.

He was facilitating it.

 

Like what? Impeachment?

 

Just politicians blowing their own trumpets as they do. He was part of the Aussie gun buy backs, so he's got motive to (*)(*)(*)(*) in his own pocket. But Aussies have seen the pics all over the place, we know blacks killed Christopher Lane not guns.

Id agree however not many Aussies understand why Americans are so hell bent on owning guns given the stats. That said they also dont under the American constitution, American history or the real reasons for those rights. We've have never had to fight for our independence, or civil wars, so we just dont get it. Its hard for many people to grasp that govt might not be your friend, people for some strange reason think people of the world have always been free. Record me, frisk me, touch my date just keep me safe plz Mr Govt.......its moronic.

I saw someone posted earlier that blacks are 14 time more likely to murder than whites, and yet Tim Fischer claims your 15 times more likey to be shot in the US. Well A/ we have bugger all blacks, B/ we arent as multicultural (the more we get the more gun crime we have however) C/ We dont have drug cartels on our leaky border. With all that going on i tell you id want guns to defend my family too!

I try to stay out of the gun debates best i can, while i dont entirely agree with how lax the laws are its not my place to question as i believe Americans are and have been in a unique position, its stupid of people to judge without the same history. Its a tricky one, given 7% of the people cause 50% of the murders, id damn well want to carry too and i bet soft cocks like Tim Fischer would hide in some white neighborhood.

My wife and i pissed ourselves laughing watching a recent 60minutes thing on American gun culture. It was so funny watching the dumb Aussie chick clueless and terrified about it. Its like watching a dog tilt its head..... freedom? what you talking about? Most dont understand the real crime rates in the US and get left wing idiots like this spinning us propaganda (because they're clueless), so dont be too harsh on us my yanky friends!

Haha this is brilliant, im sure you guys will love this

[video=youtube;sf5UyNQSoSw]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sf5UyNQSoSw[/video]

and the full show here http://sixtyminutes.ninemsn.com.au/videoindex.aspx (see page 2 'trigger happy')

 

So, you're seriously trying to claim that more people are shot and killed in the US, than ANYWHERE ELSE?

Really? Der....right

It is THUG CULTURE, and the unwillingness of the MEDIA/LEFT/Government to ADDRESS it HONESTLY, that is killing the most people in America w guns...by FAR.

 

it's a staggering stat every time I see it. It simply cannot be ignored, this indicates a problem with that segment of people. it's not racist to claim this, and it's not racist to acknowledge these numbers.

It's racist to ignore it and try to cover it up however.

7% are causing 50% of the murders. Those people need to be addressed.

 

Exactly.