US Holocaust museum denounces AOC’s ‘concentration camp’ remarks

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    200,000 Ixil Indians were butchered by Reagan_Stupid's pal General Rios-Montt. Those innocent victims had been rounded up and shot like dogs in a genocide that greatly resembles when the Nazis did to Jews. The Holocaust Museum should have had far more to say about that than about AOC's comments. To say that she is "stupid" for the equation she made reflects the deluded state of mind of her critics. And just where the hell were those right wing critics when Reagan was financing Rios-Montt's Nazi decimation of the Ixils?


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    And for those deluded people who still persist in criticizing AOC, just remember that most of those refugees wouldn't be trying to enter the USA if it hadn't been for your hero Reagan financing Rios-Montt's Nazi genocide of those innocents. Blame yourselves and your hero, not AOC or the refugees.
     
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    For some reason, my full post did not appear -

    Here is what I wanted to include:


    ''You conveniently forgot about sanctuary cities which volunteered to open their borders for these refugees. Meanwhile, conservatives fail to open their doors to refugees as is required by their Bible. Why don't you challenge them to do so like good Christians are supposed to do?"
     
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    Ignorance is bliss.

    AOC clearly said, while speaking about concentration camps, that "never again means something". "Never again" is a reference to the Holocaust. Here's the Jewish connection and the link to WWII. This is what has triggered reactions.

    https://www.pbs.org/newshour/politi...ey-dispute-over-concentration-camps-explained
     
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    That may well come from her being of Jewish descent. I remember hearing that it was American Jews where the analogy of things with the holocaust came from because whenever anything seemed truly awful to them the holocaust was what first came to mind. She certainly appears to have been deeply moved by what she saw there and there certainly are some very troublesome reports. As far as other asylum seekers are concerned I heard yesterday that a group including I think 3 young children were found dead yesterday. The thinking was that this was to do with them dying of thirst when the US is working on imprisoning those who have been putting out water to save the lives of people like them. There is something very wrong going on there which will trouble people with conscience. As I said being of Jewish descent probably makes it more understandable that she would use such a term as 'never again'.
     
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    So right.
     
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    Agreed in principle. The museum should have commented regarding that atrocity. That said, it doesn’t mean they were wrong for challenging Rep Cortez’s remarks. I do not support calling people stupid for having opposing points of view. Both parties have the right to their opinions. That said, ALL elected officials will come under higher scrutiny because using comparisons that link to Nazi Germany come across as agitprop.
     
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    Not sure what your Bible comment is trying to say, but to me the Bible is more or less mythology. I think when Trump did start to bus these people to sanctuary cities the started howling. By all means, send them to CA and quarter them in the houses of liberals.
     
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    Don't you have any problems in Canada to solve? The spending of American tax money may be a joke to you but not to those of us paying for these illegals Remind me to laugh the next time there is a disaster in Canada.
     
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    The distinction quicly blured once subsequent concentration camps were equiped with guillotine and crematorium. Dachau, Mantausen and plenty of other were retrofited at the start of the war.
    Also when you remove any possibility of release from said camp the end result will be the same, you'll die there.
     
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    LOL, yes, taking one of four children to play the system isn't taking care of your children and putting one at risk on a dangerous journey. That appears to be AOK with you. The democrats signalling that the borders are open and refusal to fix our immigration laws which does the same appears to be AOK with you. El Paso alone takes in 800 A DAY!

    Do democrats want to stop it? Absolutely not. Do democrats want to use these people for political gain? Absolutely. These people mean nothing to them but a possible vote. They don't care if these people die on the journey or they would want to help stop it.

    The 'concentration camps' Obama started never concered the hypocritical left.
     
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    somehow, my post either was edited - am not sure what happened

    here's what my question actually was:


    "''You conveniently forgot about sanctuary cities which volunteered to open their borders for these refugees. Meanwhile, conservatives fail to open their doors to refugees as is required by their Bible. Why don't you challenge them to do so like good Christians are supposed to do?"''
     
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    Make the border so bad that they stop dragging their kids through the desert to get there. Non white majority countries are gonna have to learn to get their shyt together and stop leeching off hard working citizens of the USA
     
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    As a foreigner, it's highly likely she is aware of the duplicitous nature of the US government, and its cruelty and criminal ways. I'm guessing.
     
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    Japanese victims who know American concentration camps first hand protest against inhumane treatment of children:






    There are other videos in YT - note how these loyal, law abiding Japanese-American citizens call them "concentration camps". Shame on the Holocaust Museum for daring to criticize anyone who speaks the TRUTHs spoken by these loyal people and by AOC.
     
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    Well just remember, if not for the US you would probably be speaking German with a picture of Hitler on every door or a member of the Greater East Asia Co-Prosperity Sphere. If the US is so bad why are foreigners coming to the US? Do you think more people are coming to the US or leaving the US.

    That being said, I thought left wingers thought all government is great -- the bigger and more powerful the better.

    And also, if the US is known to be criminal by foreigners, why is the US dollar the reserve currency of the world?
     
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    Why do you think all conservatives are Christians? And certainly there are as many Christian churches that appeal to liberals as conservatives. Of course one could say a liberal cannot be a real Christian based on the commandment thou shall not covet. Liberalism is based on coveting other peoples wealth as is obvious from listening to Bernie or the fake Indian.
     
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    You're asking why the US dollar is the reserve currency of the world to somebody who hasn't met a conspiracy theory he doesn't like... This'll be good! :)
     
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    Many problems to solve in Canada INCLUDING reforming our own immigration laws. Of course we take a hugely different view. We accept more refugees than any other nation per capita, but we dont have the volume of asylum seekers that are such a huge problem in the US>

    Spending american taxpayer money is at times a joke. Like spending $775 a night per "head" on the incarcerated illegal immigrants and asylum seekers, and they don't even get chocolates on their pillows because they don't have any pillows to put them on. Which is okay because they also don't get toothpaste, so they don't have to worry about cavities.

    Remind me to laugh the next time Trump shoots america in the foot and his acolytes scream in ecstatic accord.
     
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    Canada system is fine. We invite those who we need and return those who don't fit the criteria. No need to import people who'll only leech the system.
     
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    The Aktion Reinhart camps were explicit death camps whose sole purpose was to exterminate inmates. There is no blurring of those lines at all.

    I was not at all surprised when I learned that the nazis executed over 16,000 people by guillotine over the course of the war. The crematoriums were necessary due to the volume of deaths and the efficiencies of that remains disposal method.

    I do agree that no possibility of release does result in the same thing - you'll die there.
     
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    No canada's system is not fine. There are plenty of areas of improvement. I do agree that our system does not accept "leeches" especially since our sponsorship conditions and financial and employment criteria are pretty strictly adhered to.

    But there are lots of problems such as the issue that immigrant doctors, nurses, engineers, lawyers and other professionals credentials are generally not recognized and it takes years of "re-education" to be certified. There must be more efficient ways to ensure that immigrant professionals can "re certify" in a timely fashion while maintaining nationals proficiency standards in each discipline. Can't tell you how many immigrant engineers and lawyers I've met who drove my cab or uber.
     
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    I know how to save $775 a night per illegal. Take em to the border. Give em each a twenty and bottle of water. Then a good push. If they come back all bets are off.

    Is this harsh? Damn right it is harsh. Uncomfortably so. But I want my country to survive and I want my children to not end up in a US that becomes like Central America. They weren't asked to come here. The world is a very harsh place at times. Sure preach your liberalism and give everyone free stuff . And while you're at it feel morally superior.

    You aren't paying and the problem and for you the problem is 2000 plus miles away so it is pretty easy for you (I would guess) to feel morally superior. Eh?

    If a homeless person shows up in your yard will you invite them to live in your basement?

    Here is a book liberals should (but won't) read.
    https://www.amazon.com/Camp-Saints-...of+the+saints&qid=1561570598&s=gateway&sr=8-1
     
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    Oh look an anecdotal generalization. Kinda like accusing all trumpettes of racism because some far right whacko who supported trump shoots up a church or school.


    Bullshit. Nobody is signalling the borders are open. The dems aren't refusing to fix immigration laws, they just refuse to endorse the draconian bullshit that trump and miller are executing. The humanitarian crisis at the border is a direct result of trump administration policies, but of course its always the dem's fault. Who knew teflon suits were de rigueur in trumpland.

    A possible votes? Unbelieveable. YOu think a wall and treating these desperate people as harshly as possible is "helping to stop" anything? And for damn sure trumpettes don't give a crap about them or whether they die on the journey. You sure as hell don't care that kids are dying and are getting abused or that women are getting molested or that children are "disappeared" while in american custody. But hypocrisy when its all about "us or them" is SOP.

    Sure thing using false equivalency as justification for the wholly incompetent response by the trump administration. Yep its all the dems fault.

    I doubt its possible for you to be any more partisan. Course entrenched attitudes are impervious to facts, nuance or reality.
     
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    Every camp became death camp starting in '42. Jews were also killed at Dachau, Bergen-Belsen and Manthausen among others. They had a complex system of identification in place according to race and political affiliation and such system dictated what the end result would be.

    The only one who had any chance of getting out alive were the common criminals or conciencious objectors if they accepted to be sent to the front in disciplinary units or the jehova witness if they agreed to sign a form stating they were renouncing their faith. I know of no other groups who did not have an expiration date and a date with the crematoria in their future at the camp.
     
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    The only one who had any chance of getting out alive were the common criminals or conciencious objectors if they accepted to be sent to the front in disciplinary units or the jehova witness if they agreed to sign a form stating they were renouncing their faith. I know of no other groups who did not have an expiration date and a date with the crematoria in their future at the camp.[/QUOTE]

    I think we are quibbling about the intent of the different camps. Of course millions died in all the camps. And I am well aware of the processing of internees. Virtually all of my paternal relatives were "processed" in that fashion and they never came back.

    And while the nazi's never gassed their Russian POWs, they did manage to murder 3 million of them by overwork, starvation, disease, and bullets. Proven methods of extermination all.
     

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