US Interior Secretary: Naval Blockade is an Option for Dealing with Russia

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  1. Thedimon

    Thedimon Well-Known Member

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    Living in another country is not a betrayal - most of Russian politicians kids live abroad. I think Lavrovs kids are US citizens, Putin’s daughter is seen more often in Europe than in Russia and so on. Are they betraying anyone? Your hero Pootin sent his own daughter to another country because he doesn’t want her to live in a country that he rules. Or she doesn’t want to live in a country he rules. Just think about it!
    Criticism of Russia is not bettayal. It’s free speech. Russia and I owe each other nothing, I’m not obligated to be loyal. My ancestors fought in WWII not because they loved USSR but because Nazis were a greater evil than communists. Simple like that. Not a whole lot of people will go and fight a war at free will if they don’t have personal interest in it - preserving property and lives of the loved ones. Most people on both sides fought because they were forced to do so by their leaders.
    And if you were to open your eyes you’d see me criticizing the US and other countries. Unlike you, I have free will, open mind and personal opinion that I’m not afraid to express. Haven’t seen you criticizing Russia or it’s leaders. I wonder why?

    PS: at the time of the WWII the USA and USSR were allies.
    USA actually offered financial aid to USSR but paranoid Stalin didn’t accept it.
     
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  2. Eadora

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    Here's for all you exceptionally brainless Amerikink bloody minded War Mongers :)
    who seem to think that a Nuclear War would survivable & that it would be so much fun to
    ......................................................................kill millions of those mean ole Russkis

    Here you can practice bombing New Yawk and other US cities with various run of
    the mill Russian & American Weapons in present ICBM arsenals - As well as many
    other small, medium & large devices

    Have fun - drag the cursor over to your favorite target - It takes but ONE hit from an
    average yield weapon - anybody unlucky enough to survive the blast would soon wish
    ................................................................................................that they were dead


    http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/
     
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  3. Destroyer of illusions

    Destroyer of illusions Banned

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    So they write in the Western media. Obama has Jewish roots. Or do you want to say that the Western media - fake media? However ... in this case, when Negro quotes the Hitler, this is also surrealism. Or in the US, negros also profess fascist ideology?
     
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    1. During the Second World War, the United States first financed Hitler. Ford plants supplied military equipment for the Nazis, and Rockefellers supplied fuel. And even when ordinary Americans died in battles with the Nazis. Read for example the history of Intel.
    And only after it became clear that the USSR would win the war, the western "allies" opened a second front. That was in 1944, if you didn't know. They opened a second front only so that the Red Army did not reach Lisbon.
    What did Truman say? Remember? “If we see that Germany wins the war, we should help Russia, if Russia wins, we should help Germany, and let them kill each other as much as possible”. Therefore, leave your romantic perception of cooperation for their new fellow citizens.
    2. Now about the children of Putin and Lavrov. I do not know whether Putin’s children lived in the West or not, but Lavrov’s daughter really lived and worked in the United States for one time. She now lives and works in Russia. But for example, the Russian ambassador to the United States and, in general, all the staff of the Russian embassy live and work in the United States. Also, many journalists live and work in the United States, scientists, and many other professionals. And if they work for the good of their homeland, why not? Putin’s children also live and work in Russia. They are engaged in science. I heard that their work is related to libraries, archives and history.
    3. I often disagree with Putin’s actions and decisions. To begin with, Putin is pursuing a policy in the interests of the capitalists, but I am a supporter of communism. In other words, Putin and I are in diametrically opposite positions with regard to the structure of society.
    But this does not mean that I can not express my support for some of Putin’s decisions. For example, I fully support the decision on the Crimea and a number of other issues. But if you were educated in the Soviet school, you should know what class struggle is. Therefore, you must understand that I am far from being a fan of Putin.
    I will remind you. Lenin: "The state is a dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class". In the days of Stalin, the dominant class was the proletariat. That is a man of labor. Accordingly, the state conducted a dictatorship in the interests of the working man. Under Putin, Trump, Merkel, ... and so on - the ruling class is the oligarchs. Accordingly, the state (any) conducts a dictatorship in the interests of the oligarchs. Hopefully, I have clearly explained to you our contradictions with Putin?
    The thing is that you insult not Putin, you insult all the peoples of Russia. Including the memory of your ancestors.
     
  5. Mandelus

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    Truth??? :crazy: :omg: :omfg:

    It is true that the US, in cooperation with Saudi Arabia, economically brought the USSR to the brink of ruin with an extremely low oil price ....

    But that can not happen anymore, because apart from Saudi Arabia no one else is playing here and making the Lakei of the USA. The times are over ... and they are over especially since Trump has angered his necessary friends and the US is no longer considered a trustworthy partner as result!

    Take Northstream ... why should Germany bow to Trump here? Nonsense, if the US is our supplier, we deliver ourselves to the US and here you do not know with Trump what tomorrow will be when he has slept bad again. At Putin you know with whom you are dealing with and until today, unlike the US under Trump, he has behaved sensibly towards us and hold his given word without any if!

    And with Irtan it is the same at least ...
    Just because Trump did not like the Iran deal even before his election and he was just looking for the next opportunity to end it ... for no reason because Iran is fully committed to the deal ... why should Europe or anyone be willing bow by Trump?
    Everyone knows that the old righties have a problem with Iran since 1979, just as everyone knows that they only want to see the evil things of the mullahs, but not their own bad things!
     
  6. Baff

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    It's not a case of bowing to Trump.
    It's a case of choosing your strategic defence partner.

    You get to choose, Trump is just letting you know that you have to make that choice.
    You can't play both sides anymore.

    The money you spend in Russia is spent on a massive military that may be used against you.
    The same money if spent in America will be spent on a massive military that may be used in defence of you.

    The points of reference you should use to make your decision on this are simple.
    Life in East Germany vs life in West Germany before re-unification.

    I think it's a no brainer.
    You may think you can play both sides.
    Maybe you can. But America would be fools to let you.
     
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    Says who? Trump? I get a laugh ... he has nothing to say at us! We do what we want and end of discussion with the nasty President in Washington.

    Abd about defense partner ... I vote for ending NATO slowly ... simply because we pay too much for the nothing doing Americans who only complain BS in this community.
    And yes, I vote also for a nuclear arming of my country, as well a much higher defense budget. The tchnology and mones for it we have ... and we have enough friends ... even you like as Brit to smash n us evil Germans.
     
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    Why would NATO want to end slowly with you?

    If you are acting contrary to their defence interests, and you are, and you are contributing nothing of any use, and you are.
    What is in it for them?
    Nothing.

    If you go evil, we will smash you. Yes.
    But before you get too excited by this... so will the Russians.

    So remember last time we did, and work out which of those people who did, treated you better.
    And choose your side.

    Because if you sit on the fence any longer, we will choose it for you.
     
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    Not NATO with us ... we with NATO I told!

    And with what do we go until now contrary please? Nothing is the answer!

    And who choose our side please? The Americans? ROFL!!!
     
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    So you choose to be part of the Russian Hegemony. East not West.
    OK and good luck.

    I like Russia, I'm pretty confident they will keep you line.
     
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    Been playing with this for some time.
    Illustrates what knowledgeable people already know - nuclear weapons aren't as powerful as most people think.
     
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    One warhead kills 1.5 million at a time.
    Seems pretty powerful to me.

    4 missiles to kill the UK.
     
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    1.5M in New York, maybe... not that much elsewhere.
     
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    Yep, I’m getting the impression that some people think one bomb can kill everyone in a country. People still live in Hiroshima and Nagasaki - nuclear bombing left those cities liveable.
     
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    "not that much elsewhere" -!?-
    Well just for a fun foreign policy experiment, lets drop one of these average sized Nukes on
    ................................................................................... Tel Aviv & another Jerusalem

    RESULT
    : -
    O
    ver 1/2 mil instantaneously incinerated & close to 1 mill seriously & mortally injured in each city
    However we will be left with cities that Thedimon assures us "will be livable" just like Hiroshima :)


    [​IMG]

    May I respectfully suggest, 'without prejudice'
    That anybody who would suggest that Nuclear War is any sort of option in Foreign Policy
    is in FACT - certifiably INSANE and should immediately submit to a Prefrontal Lobotomy
    ................................................................................................ least his Bacillus spread
    ................................................................................................. [​IMG]

    Unfortunately this sort of immoral Insanity seems to be the current condition of our present crop
    .................................................................................................. of Washington Illuminaries
     
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    Depends on the country and the bomb :)

    The number of dead and the devastation suffered in those cities was less from the direct effects of the bomb, but the fire afterwards.
    Note to self: Do not build cities out of wood and paper when your enemy can rain incendiaries down upon you.
     
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    According to the nukemaps website, a Nagasaki yield weapon detonated above the Ben Gurion airport will result in about 4500 dead.
    The same weapon detonated over the Tel Aviv Museum of art will result in about 132k dead.
    The same weapon detonated over the Knesset will result in about 214k dead.
    Most of these will be from overpressure/blast and heat, not vaporization.
     
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    When the airplane was taking me away from my motherland I had this song playing in my player:


    It’s been more than 17 years since I did it. I never regretted that decision. Never!
     
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    But who in Hell's hand-basket [​IMG]
    gave you the idea that they would even consider using Nagasaki sized weapons ?

    A Nagasaki sized weapon would currently be considered a Tactical
    Do you think for one moment that they will use a Tactical to clean out the spiders nest
    of dual citizenship Zionist Bankers and War Mongers, who no doubt, had much to do
    .................................................................................with precipitating any exchange ?...

    They are perfectly aware of the source of the present American saber rattling & War Mongering


    REVIEW: [​IMG]
    http://nuclearsecrecy.com/nukemap/


    Topol SS25 800Kt - 676,760 fatalities - 529,210
    or the
    R12 SS-4 2.42Mt - 855,300 fatalities - 564,090 serious & mortal injuries

    [​IMG]

    Jerusalem - Tel-Aviv & Haifa - that should be sufficient to end any chance
    of civilization on the eastern shores of the Mediterranean


    .
     
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    But Fear Not ! :)
    Good Ole Theddi assures us your cities will be livable

    [​IMG]
     
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    1 - your gif with horsemen is awesome!
    2 - dropping a nuke on Tel Aviv won’t end the civilization in eastern Mediterranean. You seem to not be very good with scale.
     
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    I think that I alluded to not only Tel Aviv but Jerusalem & Haifa also gone. I think that by the time that
    that had transpired we could assume Baghdad, Damascus & other major centers to then be missing from
    .......................................................................................................................................... the Board

    Any unfortunate survivors would be left to run around like chickens that have just had its HEADs cut off
    Many more will succumb to the chaos that will inevitably follow the ruination of logistical infrastructure
    Not even to speak of the resulting deadly Radiation problem if the blasts are not air-burst but ground level

    Maybe you should Go For It ! Theddi :)
    ..............................................The Lobotomy I mean :)
    [​IMG]
    end the WAR inside your head before you start one in the real world

    Judging from you Avatar you already have the required smile [​IMG]
     
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    I'm happy for you. No matter. where you live and work. The fact is that you have become the enemy of your former homeland. For which your ancestors fought and died. I have already shown you examples - Romanov, Denikin, Melyukov ... and many others, were forced to immigrate from Russia. But they still remained patriots of their country. Because in Russia their history, their ancestors ... and so on. But you have another story. You are more like General Vlasov. But I do not blame you. I am simply stating a fact.

    Does this song hint at your orientation?

    Never say never. Sometimes life can be very surprising.
     
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    Yep, I’m a male lesbian who dreams of being together with 2 women. :)
     
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    I did not know that you changed gender. However, today it is normal in the USA. Now I understand the true reasons for your immigration and unmotivated aggression against your former homeland.
     

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