US Israeli Relations and Middle Eastern Policy

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  1. TheDunceCap

    TheDunceCap New Member

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    The State of Palestine is going to petition the UN for membership. The Turkish government as begun cutting ties with Israel. The US state's that it supports the new Arab spring but not the Palestinian awakening. I don't believe the US has a clear policy on the new shape of the Middle East and is now stuck trying to appease Israeli and governments that could be new potential allies. Thoughts?
     
  2. Iolo

    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The US, alas, has AIPAC, which is more powerful than the NRA (is that the right label for your merchants of death?) and has your politicians by the sensitive bits.
     
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    Gator Monroe Banned

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    The US has a very Anti-Zionist Far Left & Middle left pushing Zero(Obama) to throw Israel (The Tiny Jewish State ) under the bus.
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You have a far-left like a man who has had his left arm chopped off. Poor little 'Israel' is a nazi butcher's shop, as you know. It is amazing how the propaganda machine keeps working on the Sabbath, and indicates just how Jewish the zionists really are.
     
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    It would be beneficial to the entire region if US of AIPAC influence was curtailed. Ahmadinejad, al Sadr, Maliki and Erdogan have made a good start. Egypt and Jordan should review their respective agreements with the Zionists and the fledgling revolution in Bahrain, crushed by US/Saudi interests, should be rekindled. The world at large has to stop dealing with Israeli fascism as if it's acceptable. It isn't.

     
  6. D.E.P.

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    Americans aren't interested in being friends with countries dominated by Islamists. Support for israel is near record highs in America, so I have no idea where you're getting that americans are fed up with israel, it simply isn't true. You can keep dreaming though.
     
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    Iolo Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Yup - the US is not going to last long, though it might possibly destroy the world in its fall. Pity about that.
     
  8. moon

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    There were plenty of supporting links posted recently. It pays to read the threads.
     
  9. Gator Monroe

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    Support for Israel (If Israel still exists in 14 months) will be a top tier issue in 12 elections .
     
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    moon Well-Known Member

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    Let's hope so. However, it's not in AIPAC's interests for the US public to see how it controls America, from its media, its courts and its elections, right on through to its government.
     
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    Considering US debts, Americans should just fire their federal government to reduce senseless spending and allow Tel Aviv to dictate political matters in the US. Washington DC could be returned to the States that it previously belonged to.
     
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    Lol. So much wishful thinking in this thread. America isn't going anywhere and neither is Israel. You are free to keep dream of our destruction though. Americans know you can't trust ME Muslims. America has been dealing with murderous, lieing, savage Muslims for a few hundred years now. They are the reason we started what is now today the best navy this world has ever seen.

    Islamists are so funny when they talk about how much they wish America and Israel will be destroyed.
     
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    Who are these "Islamists" you refer to? And, moreover, who has said they wish America and Israel be destroyed?

    It would appear that the "wishful thinking" is all yours.
     
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    Great point!!!!!!
     
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    Zionism often seems to be based on the theory that everyone wants to destroy Israel. Not believing such would thus mean the end of Zionism.
     
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    Bahrain doesn't need to be rekindled.
    Friday saw a huge protest there for the fall of the regime.
    :sun:
    There was another funeral too for a man killed by the regime.
     
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    I didn't know that. It's the media interest that needs to be rekindled then. Suppression, you think ?
     
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    Yep, that points to the record stupidity of Americans on this issue.
     
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    Like British stupidity on India ...
     
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    I think this is a political strategy.. The US does support a Palestinian state which will happen but doesn't want Israel to become MORE isolated in the process.

    And, I don't think we have much control over Israel's intransigence..

    They are burning the fragile bridges they have with Turkey, Jordan and Egypt..
     
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    Agreed,
    I think the overall 'Arab Spring' has radically altered the amount of available potential allies in the region. The problem is, all of these new governments will be hostile to Israel. Do you think the US will be forced to sit on the fence and either A)lose its dominance in region as another power allies with these new governments or B) continue to stick with on power house in Israel and hope that other allies such as Saudia Arabia, Kuwait, Jordan etc. can sway these governments to fall in line.
     
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    The Arab spring is the catalyst for the shifting of the balance of power in the ME, no more so than in relation to Israel, whose strategic position is potentially very seriously compromised by the 25 January Egyptian Revolution. After Mubarak’s fall the head of an Israeli think tank admitted: “Our whole structure of analysis just collapsed”.

    Gardner, David, 2011a, “Arab Rulers Confront a New World”, Financial Times (13 February).

    Ari Shavit, a columnist in the supposedly liberal daily Haaretz, was positively incandescent with rage…at Washington:

    The West’s position reflects the adoption of Jimmy Carter’s worldview: kowtowing to benighted, strong tyrants while abandoning moderate, weak ones… Carter’s betrayal of the Shah [during the Iranian Revolution of 1978-9] brought us the ayatollahs, and will soon bring us ayatollahs with nuclear arms. The consequences of the West’s betrayal of Mubarak will be no less severe. It’s not only a betrayal of a leader who was loyal to the West, served stability and encouraged moderation. It’s a betrayal of every ally of the West in the Middle East and the developing world. The message is sharp and clear: The West’s word is no word at all; an alliance with the West is not an alliance. The West has lost it. The West has stopped being a leading and stabilising force around the world.

    The Arab liberation revolution will fundamentally change the Middle East. The acceleration of the West’s decline will change the world. One outcome will be a surge towards China, Russia and regional powers like Brazil, Turkey and Iran. Another will be a series of international flare-ups stemming from the West’s lost deterrence. But the overall outcome will be the collapse of North Atlantic political hegemony not in decades, but in years. When the United States and Europe bury Mubarak now, they are also burying the powers they once were. In Cairo’s Tahrir Square, the age of Western hegemony is fading away.

    http://www.haaretz.com/print-edition...cline-1.340967
     
  23. Albert Di Salvo

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    America will be forced to vacate the Middle East. There will be war as other powers contend to fill the vacuum.
     
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    There will likely be a protracted period of political assassinations, subversion of fledgling governments and eye-watering bribes. The arabs may still fend it all off though.
     
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    Yeah, that was then. This is now...
     

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