US launched airstrikes in Iraq in retaliation for rocket attack,

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  1. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :above: Thank you :above: I am happy to see that someone is using logic.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It's their nest, not yours. A smart man keeps his head out of it. A stupid man keeps sticking his head in it and then cries and whines about getting stung. Even a five-year-old understand that.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    What on earth are you talking about? I wonder where you get your information from. Maybe from eavesdropping on high school dropouts at the bowling alley 'Snack & Tap' on Saturday nights? :alcoholic: The Vietnamese kicked the French out and installed peace and Democracy. Then the U.S. invaded to destroy Vietnam's Democracy and start a new war.
     
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    Texas Republican Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Clueless.

    We went to Vietnam to prevent an authoritarian, communist regime from taking power. The effort failed because our government fought the war with both of our hands tied behind our back, and because the left in the U.S. didn’t think Asians were worth fighting for. After we left SE Asia in 1975, millions died in Cambodia, etc.
     
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    I was trying to speak language you would understand since it was your own choice. I haven't avoided anything nor made any arguments, I simply told you what I think is the right thing to do in the situation. Didn't come from any bureaucrats left or right, just me. I know it's valid and the proper course of action. That being said it's still up to the President to do as he sees fit. Truth is, I don't think it likely that we missed with our shot.
     
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    Heartburn Well-Known Member

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    Hornets are easy to kill and their nests are easy to find. It's just a matter of will.
     
  7. Thingamabob

    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You honestly and truly have no idea what Vietnam was all about. AMAZING! Shame on you! I suggest that you do just a little reading on the subject.

    Before the U.S. arrived there was a DEMOCRATIC election scheduled and there was no war.
     
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    Thingamabob Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Oh! So you are saying that the U.S. is getting their azzes kicked on a daily basis as a matter of voluntary masochism? I think you ought to telephone Washington and tell them because it is their conviction that they are simply losing the war because the enemy is better than them.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You seem completely oblivious to the arguments I have made .. no attempt address them except with propaganda spin. - even if you thought that you came up with these thoughts on your own ... you didn't - regardless of whether or not you realize it.

    You ingested these narratives without thinking - and now you are regurgitating them - on cue - as you are supposed to.

    I detailed in the last post why your arguments made no sense.

    What were those arguments - do you remember ? "The Children - we need to save the Children" The evil terrorists are coming for our kids.
    Right no cue.

    You stand and salute the flag - thinking this is helping our nation - ridding us of this terrible external threat - because that is what you have been trained to think.

    The student of history - and one who has studied basic propaganda techniques - immediately recognizes the old " Fear of an external threat to take away liberty" tactic. The one that the founders warned us about - and put in safeguards to prevent. "Liberty or Death" was the slogan. Franklin - those who would give up essential liberty for temporary security deserve neither liberty nor security.

    Stalin knew this trick - using fear to get the people to trade liberty for security -- his program was called "Security for the Motherland"
    Hitler - same trick - "Fatherland Security" .. We must Keep the Fatherland Secure !!

    Bush - lacking the creative ability to come up with a new name "Homeland Security" - using fear of this terrible horror that is coming for your children - to make it your "Patriotic Duty" to give up essential liberty.

    Obama then came along and change the name of the Patriot act to the equally Orwellian Doublespeak - "Freedom Act"

    So you see what a good public motivator this narrative you have been peddling is. Can justify just about anything that one .. Trillions of dollars of wasted Treasure - 8 Trillion in the 16 years of Obama/Bush - money that we could have put in to infrastructure - roads - ramping up our economy to compete in the third millennium. (never mind the thousands of our kids -Soldiers - lives and tens of thousands injured both physically and mentally)

    and what have we to show for this Treasure - is the threat of terrorism in the world any less ? It is 10 x worse than when we began - in large part - and in many respects - a threat of our own making.

    There are numerous threads - What happened to our manufacturing sector - what happened to our technological advantage. If we had spent that money on the aforementioned - we would be better prepared for the real war - and strongest piece on the chessboard - which is economic and not military.

    This was our sacrifice - because of fear of this horrible threat that you are so scared of - a risk of harm that is 400 times less than the risk of harm from walking - We threw away a whole lot of our economic advantage - and have damaged our long term economic security.

    As a side note - If are so scared of these terrorist - how come barely 10 years after 911, Obama led a multi nation effort to arm,support and supply an extremist Islamist Jihadist proxy army led by Al Qaeda - and other Al Qaeda spawn.
     
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    You watch too much MSNBC.
     
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    Holy cow, a manifesto.

    Obama was Obama and I did not vote for him either time.
     
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    The people of South Vietnam wanted no part of Hanoi.

    When you believe communism is good, as you do, it doesn’t allow you to see things clearly. Such a shame.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The post was not about you voting for Obama - it was about your regurgitation of State sponsored Propaganda.

    You are in the denial stage - complete with thought avoidance response - we need to work toward the grudging acceptance stage :)
     
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    You brought him up. I'm at war because my country is, I would never undermine that effort because it costs lives. When we get to the apologizing stage maybe you will have a seat at the table? I bet you'd be excellent at it.
     
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    Do you think Hitler did nothing wrong? I don't believe you do, but given your posts, one could derive that from them with just about as much justification as you are doing here.

    Stop the name-calling propaganda, you're above that.
     
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    Obama was brought up - simply in relation to arming terrorists in Syria - in addressing your claim "The children are in danger" - as justification for our ME policy.

    You then responded - with "i didn't vote for him" - which has no coherence in relation to the discussion. and that was the sum total of your response.

    Its called "thought avoidance" :)
     
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    I believe that poster has a history of far, far left posts. Definitely to the left of socialism. So mentioning Stalin and Mao were not outlandish.

    Hitler was beyond evil. He was the devil on earth.
     
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    And you should cut it out too.

    You told me his sin and I told you I didn't care, I was not responsible for anything he did.
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    Didn't say you were responsible for Obama's sins. you are making up stories now - in a continued dance to avoid your claim that our ME policy is justified on the basis of "The children" - which turned out to be complete bunk.. so you have to make up nonsense.
     
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    You go all over the place don't you?
     
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    Now your projecting - Classic ! That is exactly what you have been doing - and every time I try to bring you back to your claim you dodge - weave and avoid.

    "Projection is a psychological defense mechanism in which individuals attribute characteristics they find unacceptable in themselves to another person"

    You have been ingesting state sponsored propaganda - and you are having trouble accepting reality - so you respond with the most mind bending acts of denial and self delusion.
     
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    It's a thankless job but somebody has to keep the internet on track. Like herding cats isn't it?
     
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    Giftedone Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    :oldman::hippie::oldman::hippie::oldman::hippie:
     
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    Sorry Bonzo, but we don't get MSNBC news in my country. Furthermore, I do not watch any MS news even in my own language. Try as you might to avoid it you'll just have to evaluate my knowledge/view/convictions on reality and proven facts/true events.
     

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