US led battle group deploys to Poland.

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  1. Mandelus

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    After they provoked NATO ... maybe? [​IMG]
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No, Russia didn't provoke NATO. Russia wasn't threatening any European countries was it?
     
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    Mmmh ... Ask the Baltics maybe, if they feel threaten or not.
    Why suddenly since a longer time and far before every od such ridiculous troop movements was done, fly Russian planes so often in North Sea and Baltic Sea like in coldest times of cold war?
     
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    Forget it - I don't understand your posts.
     
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    Yeah, because you won't understand them ... I know.
     
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    No, I don't understand them. Let's leave it there shall we.
     
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    What is so hard to understand please?

    Did Russia start to make many "Reconnaissance flights" in the Baltic Sea and Northern Sea and Northern Atlantic area up to British coast ... in a manner as it was done during cold war area by the USSR? Yes!
    Feel the Baltic States = members of NATO threaten and provoked by Russia? Yes!
     
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    Look, if Russia is threatening any country - which it isn't - then diplomacy via the UN is the way to resolve it, not by sabre-rattling and risking a nuclear holocaust.
     
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    You mean this Toothless wreck in New York, where everything goes only through the Security Council and where the four world powers have a veto, which can prevent everything on behalf of the UN against their own country and their own interests?
    Then tell me how the UN can stop the Russian provocations with airspace violations and endangering the civil aviation!
    Then please explain to me what the UN can do against the cyber attacks of the Russians in the Baltics.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    All countries engage in espionage and hacking, not just the Russians. Why are you obsessing about them??
     
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    Sure ... all do. So your proposal is that the Baltics shall hire in Dark net enough hacker specialists to hack back against Russia in "eye for eye, tooth for tooth" behavior and end of story?
    And what is your explanation for the mass of reconnaissance flights of the Russians taking place for many years and often infringes on the airspace of others?
    What provocation of NATO has this triggered?
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You're obviously not absorbing nor taking into consideration what I've been saying, therefore I have no further comment.
     
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    No. you're not answering things with serious answers! What is your intention to say as answer that "All countries engage in espionage and hacking, not just the Russians. Why are you obsessing about them??"

    Yes, all do this more or less, but so what? Is this now the excuse that Russia does? I'm not obsessed against Russians, for sure not! Occupation of Crimean Peninsula? For me OK! So, I'm obsessed about? No!

    The problem is that you see only NATO reactions, but excluding the Russian actions before and more as excluding, you deny that they exist! So why are you so obsessed to defend Russia?

    And we are talking about 100 ridiculous tanks + supplement. The US have since many years only few fighting units in Europe stationed. The only note able one is the 2nd ACR equipped with Strykers! It is more a silly obsession to make out of these damned 100 tanks a big story!
     
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    "Why not you protest against that decidion on the streets?" [​IMG]
     
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    I remind you, first of all - Baltic and Northern seas are our border region, that military literally must be watching, this is their job, these flights are mandatory - because this is our sea borders, it's passage through which, potentially, hostlie fleet may approach our country. If there are unregistered ships, military must know about them. Also, same flights usually create reports that help capturing poachers, hunting for industrial amounts of fish without the license.

    Second - Russian Federation was NOT threatening Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia, when they joined NATO. That decidion was purely political, aimed to give these countries economic support of USA and european countries, which eventually allowed them to join EU. Decidion, that non the less TRHEATENS my country by bringing a foreign hostile uncontrolled military organization to OUR borders.

    World does not needs a new, trans-atlantic Axis - only thing NATO achieved is pulling various countries in USA orchestrated conflicts, such as invasion in Bosnia and Herzegovina, bombings of Yugoslavia, war in Afganistan and invasions in Iraq and Libya. NATO - is a ruthless organisation that does not protects nor the world, nor the citizens of USA - it protects interests of corporations and politicians, destabilizes world, threatens the future of humanity itself and endangers our planet wirt a nuclear war. Dissolute!
     
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    So your borders end at the shore line of the UK too ... or as it still happened too, at the West coast off the USA?
    And explain please, why the number of flights is so much higher suddenly...

    NATO is uncontrolled ... OK, if you think so, your opinion.

    That NATO is a red cloth for you like for a bull it is, is clear! But let me teach you a little bit:

    Invasion of Bosnia Herzegovina in 1995 by NATO is BS ... Russia was part of IFOR too and so were others like Poland, which become member of NATO in 1999 = 4 years later!
    Serbian conflict for Kosovo was well reasoned to stop this mass murder in Belgrade and Russia confirmed this too! Now suddenly not?
    Afghanistan is well reasoned to fight Al Qaida and Taliban scum ... but before any Russian blames anotherone here, look into the 1980's first and feel ashamed!
    Invasion of Iraq was a crime, no doubt, but by NATO? BS ... no NATO issue in name of NATO!
    Libya a NATO issue? BS, an Issue of France, UK and USA and bad done of them ... but of NATO? Not at all!
     
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    "Second - Russian Federation was NOT threatening Lithuania, Latvia or Estonia," a typical Olgino lie
    Russians open new front after Estonian official is captured in 'cross ...
    https://www.theguardian.com › World › Estonia
    Sep 7, 2014 - The Estonian-Russia border at Luhamaa does not look like a new ... were jammed as armed Russian men suddenly materialised and dragged away a ... To kidnap a Nato country's intelligence official on foreign territory is ...

    2007 cyberattacks on Estonia - Wikipedia
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2007_cyberattacks_on_Estonia
    Cyberattacks on Estonia were a series of cyber attacks that began 27 April 2007 and swamped websites of Estonian organizations, including Estonian ..

    Russia: U.S. warship in Baltic waters a military provocation - UPI.com
    www.upi.com/Top_News/World.../Russia...Baltic...provocation/1281461240609/
    Apr 21, 2016 - Russian Sukhoi Su-24 attack aircraft make a very-low altitude pass by the USS Donald Cook on April 12 during maneuvers in international ...
    Russian menace pushes Sweden towards Nato - BBC News
    www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-35456535
    Feb 4, 2016 - Concern over increased Russian military activity has led to calls from ... Media captionWhy Sweden is concerned about Russian provocation. In the middle of the Baltic Sea, a chilly east wind blows across a former Cold War frontier. ... military could only defend itself for a week in the face of an attack.

    etc.
     
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    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO

    Because we suddenly have much more things to watch for.
    As for US and UK shores - present examples, with LINKS to the reports about incidents, so they can be studied properly.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Deliberate_Force

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Novi_Sad#Yugoslavia_and_Serbia
    My mother was in same class at school with some of them. Do not you dare trying to shut my mouth by the 'shame'.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2014)#Northern_Alliance
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Afghanistan_(2001–2014)#Costs
    This war bringed nothing, but devastation and death - and money to the corporations. Corporations of United State of America benefitted from these deaths, DO NOT YOU DARE TRYING TO DENY THAT FACT. Do not you DARE! to try turning a blind eye at corruption and crimes against humanity!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO_Training_Mission_–_Iraq
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NATO#Libya_intervention

    NATO - is a direct threat to world's peace. A military machine in service of corporations and USA government, an instrument of destruction. It did not participated in any single conflict where a NATO state was in need of defence since it's creation, it did not served as a defence force a single day of it's long existance, and after dissolution of Soviet Union it became an uncontrollable bloodthirsty agressor.

    NATO - is danger to the world. It has no place in XXI century.
     
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    The poles want to die in the interests of Usa...
     
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    How many links do you want?



    Examples of uncountable many…

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2960793/Britain-mercy-Putin-s-planes-Russian-war-aircraft-taunt-ex-RAF-chiefs-warns-powerless.html

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2933765/Russian-nuclear-bombers-Britain-scared.html

    http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-31530840

    Are these 3 enough or shall I spam you down with hundreds of links?

    So what? Serbians made a massacre and denied to stop war and so had to be forced to stop violence… agreed by Russia in full!
    And as told, following IFOR mission included Russian Army too…


    Because these bridges were for Serbian Army of strategic importance to reinforce their military in Kosovo … any problem with this? And who build up the bridges again and helped with money to do so please? Russia? No… those who destroyed them before!
    And yes, collateral damages were given too, but because anyone is making a shrug about when happened in other conflicts too … including Russia in Syria … why not here to make a shrug too?

    No … normally not. But if you tell that NATO was and is so evil to go to Afghanistan and so on, then a clear Yes with remark to look into the mirror of USSR crimes in Afghanistan, started by making a coup against the uncomfortable Afghanian President with Spetznaz


    Do you really believe this BS blabbering and do you really play the Anti West Propaganda clown here?
    Yes, bad things happened too, but do you really deny that the guilty of 9/11 was sitting in Afghanistan and was backed by Taliban regime?
    Wake up and stop this foolish propaganda believing BS!

    Investigate your sources more proper and more important: read them first, before claiming and writing nonsense!

    NATO Training mission for whom started when? 2004!
    When was US lead attack on Saddam? 2003!

    Any further questions or is this 1 year difference unimportant now?

    Same nonsense again…but here we go now in detail to show that you claim total nonsense by the text of your link source itself!


    … on 17 March 2011 led to the passage of United Nations Security Council Resolution 1973, which called for a ceasefire, and authorized military action to protect civilians. A coalition that included several NATO members began enforcing a no-fly zone over Libya shortly afterwards.

    Several NATO members … not the NATO itself. But this important difference is as usual ignored, excluded and told to be unimportant, eh? If only 1 single NATO member is involved in whatever, then it is automatically an issue of NATO for you?
    And who signed the UN resolution 1973 too again? Russia!

    On 20 March 2011, NATO states agreed on enforcing an arms embargo against Libya with Operation Unified Protector using ships from NATO Standing Maritime Group 1 and Standing Mine Countermeasures Group 1,[104] and additional ships and submarines from NATO members.[105] They would "monitor, report and, if needed, interdict vessels suspected of carrying illegal arms or mercenaries".

    So what is left over from your silly claim that NATO attacked Libya? Nothing!
    They controlled the weapon embargo as Force which was ordered by the UN and this UN order was backed by Russia! Any further questions?


    Absolute nonsense, filled with ridiculous claims and idiotic propaganda blabbering left over from cold war … and maybe you are whining for the times of strong USSR wich dictated Eastern Europe puppet states?
    Fact is, NATO is more a need as before, because the only institution of defense of smaller countries with the strong USA in head to counter worst criminal states and bloody dictators.
    Yes, they can do more and have to do more, for example in Africa. But your BS Propaganda claims are simply ridiculous and not more!
     
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    Why dissolute, so the dwarf in Kremlin needs to send "russian speakers" assistance package from moscow?
     
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    I know a few polish Americans, no of them are dying here, somebody didn't get their morning pablum?
     
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    You're forgetting Ninian, those soldiers on the gravestone were "invaders" into astan. Keep that in mind.
     
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    Sure, because being so happy with Trump and they have no reason to be feared about Russia out of history lessons?

    And no ... PLEASE don't come again as usual with the German crimes of Nazi and WW-2 time etc.! This is not the topic here and I'm personally the total wrong address for the **** storm about the evil Germans and Hitler!
     
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