US led battle group deploys to Poland.

It's rather difficult to reason with such posters as this don, Ninian, destroyer, no matter what evidence or proofs provided, it's all propaganda as far as they're concerned.

 

a) All three are about same incident.
b) Both sources use incorrect, propagandistic nicknames 'Bear bomber' for the aircrafts.
c) Incident took place in 2015, and in no way excuses amassing NATO presence around democratic Russian Federation since 1991.

People have died. Since when agreement of governemnt of my country back then excuses this deed? Back then NATO ruined lives of people in Serbia - now it threatens my own coutnry. It never defended a single country, a single life - always launching only assault operations - and pulling others in them. This must be stopped.

Because for too long we - people - were letting this bloodthirsty abomination to continue existing. It was not NATO who rebuilded after the war, people have paid for the destruction and people paid for reconstruction - while corrupt elites benefitted.

Plunging a country in a war, condemning a two generations to grow and live in a war-torn state, to suffer from shortages of water and food, not knowing safety or having hope for future - is not a punishment of terrorists, it is a TERROR in it's pure form!

The only thing that is left there from Cold War - is NATO. A corrupt abomination, a projection of military terror, a threat to sovereignity of other countries and peace on the globe. It's time has passed with USSR, it's destiny is a grave - it must be dissoluted, it must be buried and it must be done now - not ten years later, not in distant future - now, as we live and able to stop it from ruining more lives, endangering more people, pushing humanity from the cliff.

There is no place for NATO, there is no place for a third global war, there is no place for global terror. Our way - if forward, this dead weight must be dropped.

 

Should I be afraid of poles 'out of history lessons' - for all the wars they waged on Rus, for all the times they tried to install their dinasties there, for all the times they threatened culture and faith of people of my land? History - is a history, it is not there for creating paranoia, it is there to serve as a source of wisdom, a representation of achievements and mistakes, to learn from - to evade these mistakes in the modern day. Fear, hatred, paranoia and xenophobia never did good for people - these moods have no place in the modern world, they must be stepped over - we must move forward, not backwards! The threats towards my country, military agression, economic and political sanctions, persecution of my nation are not just, are not humane, these crimes must be STOPPED!

 

Yep ... and the sad as well silly thing is, they believe this BS as truth ... and more: Every fact against this BS is for them a lie and propaganda!

 

Or maybe you simply seek an excuse to discard the arguments that do not fit your opinion. What, WHAT need is there for a giant military alliance? WHAT need is there for it's bases on borders of my country?

 

That's rather evident..so your dear leader doesn't try to "assist", russian speaking minorities who claim they're being "persecuted" somehow, or just plain doesn't go on any adventures like the Russians seem to have that urge to!

 

whats funny that stralin-koba is responsible for ww2 as much as Hitler, everyone knows it, but they still act like no one knows about soviet - Nazi pact

 

Hey Zoomy boy, how about this. Oh that's right the Russian's did it:

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  A Polish consulate in western Ukraine came under fire overnight. A suspected anti-tank missile hit the building’s top floor, but luckily no one was harmed. The consul heading the mission called it a terrorist attack.
  
  

 

Here's a little information to enrich your meager knowledge.

If Poland wants to play in games with nuclear empires, then Poland mustn't whining, if empires will tear her vagina in the process.

 

Cut it out! You know damn well the Russians are living under an apartheid system in the Baltics which is against international law. So in your estimation any humanitarian help towards those unlucky enough to fall outside of the Russian Federation with its more civilized institutions, shouldn't be helped. Sounds like a true 'Nazi' there.

Here's a video I'm sure you'll enjoy ... I do, but that's because I love German marches. What a pity they have to be associated with such an evil movement. But then again I found that music is so instrumental in arousing feelings in people ...whether it be love for God as in hymns, or hatred and feelings of supremacy towards one's follow man ...such as the extreme 'nationalism' of Nazism and fanatic Islam.

 

It says "suspected", maybe, maybe not. There's always some sort of firearm activity, or accidental missiles being fired, especially in Ukraine and Russia. I was visiting kharkiv in 2012 and overnight there was gunfire and some large "bang", my friend indicated hooligans, or bad drug deals, paybacks, or take your pick of multiple choice reasons.

 

I honestly think you're infatuated with Nazism Jean, you quote it endlessly! As for those Russians outside the "wire", well the answer is to assimilate. Ask the Chechens about russian " civilized institutions"? You know it's funny, the same Russians claiming persecution in the Baltics by the "Nazis" seem quite happy to take nazi German money from the EU, for all those cushy social programs, yup, were being persecuted , but we want German money, services, and social programs, ironic, no, go trade in for some rubles, see how far that will take them! Similar to French Canadians(quebecois), 200+ yrs ago the lost to the Brits at the planes of Abraham, and for 200+ yrs squawked about separating and divorce, all the while shamelessly indulging in all the social programs, transfer payments, official second language rights, list goes on benefits. Yes, we want divorce but we want to live in same house and use your money...some arrangement.

 

Poland seems content in nato, Russia seems to think otherwise, it's like a wife that divorced the abusing , alcoholic husband.

 

Fear and hatred towards Russia is embedded in the DNA of the Eastern Europeans who were under the Pope. The Popes tried to re-unite the Church by putting the Orthodox under him ...and those who wanted to grab lands in the East, used it as an excuse to advance into lands under the Moscow Metropolitan. Moscow of course stopped them, and this hatred towards the Russians became embedded in their DNA.

I recall Pope John Paul II saying he prays for the cleansing of people's memories.

 

The ones who were Catholic were poland, Lithuania, Hungarians are not. Romanians Orthodox(and are a Latin people's), east Germans mix of Catholic and Lutheran, same with some Czechs. No different than an attempt by russian orthodoxy trying to impose it's influence on others who weren't.

 

Lithuania is an idolatry. Romanians as gypsies and they always have the faith that benefits them. Among them there are Muslims and Catholics. And even Buddhists. The rest are sectarians. Therefore, your comment is not an argument.

 

All three of the countries labeled in your map--Poland, Estonia, and Lithuania--are NATO countries.

This is not even in dispute.

So how, exactly, could it be tempting a response likely to lead to a world war for the US (a NATO member, itself) to deploy troops to another NATO member?

 

In other words become like the Galatians? Why? They have no claims to the lands the Russian speakers are living on, and as far as I know it was the Donbas that was feeding them.

 

Cherishing your cultural heritage and using currency of other country - are different things. Lithuania, Latvia and Estonia have their own currencies, their own governments, russian citizens of these countries lawfully pay taxes to these governments and have all rights to demand freedom of cultural identity - this is one of human rights, that supposed to be a common normality, a law - in any civilized society.
Every adult knows and understands that, Zoom.

 

Those lands are in Ukraine Jean, something you have a problem with, and maybe those ukranians in the east should Lenin and stalin flag wavers, and adopt a culture of a failed ideology, something you seem to idolize.

 

I have yet to meet a Trump supporter who is not very anti-war. If Trump mobilizes near a potential invasion point he will pay for it politically.

Troops near a border are war triggers and human sacrifices. But Putin would be very foolish if he is tempted to invade. If Russia take out a dangling American unit a major war will probably be inevitable.

Rationale defense deploys far from a a border.

 

Border threat. If Mexico creates military alliance with RF and RF dispatches the 'alliance' forces in the other 'alliance' country - near USA borders - will it not be a threat? Your government did everything to have warfare as far from it's borders, as possible. Why - sincerely expain to me, WHY - does it surprises you that other countries wish the same? Why ate you surprised that Russia feels threatened by military union formed as coalition against USSR, that nowadays remains - and expands around RF borders?

 

You've been explained already a few times Ninian, is it hard to understand English! Uncle holiday has to stop his adventures to free free russian speakers who claim to be persecuted.

 

Freedom of identity, freedom of faith and freedom of thought - do not even dare saying people do not deserve it - russian has right to be russian, on any soil, in any age, in any place. This is a right guaranteed by laws we agreed on as humanity. Is that clear?