US military cites rising risk of Chinese move against Taiwan

What's evil about peaceful coexistence with our fellow humans? And how do you define race? Mother Russia is made up of many different ethnic groups who have been freely "mongrelizing" since time immemorial. Ditto Europe, ditto the Americas, ditto everywhere for as long as there have been humans. Hell, modern humans are mongrels countless times over from ages past when there were actual other species of human on the planet.

 

.

Evil globalists are totally delusional.

Today, globalists are in the process of destroying all races/nations.

But in the end, true Nationalists will win and the evil globalist destroyers will be destroyed.


.

 

Well the Chinese don't believe it.

 

Worrying about "discrimination" in a country that's killed tens of millions of their own people is slightly ridiculous. China is a communist dictatorship, so worrying about "discrimination" seems like a weird western obsession in a country that currently has your life dangling from a social credit score.

Han supremacy was never threatened, and anything that threatened it would have been eliminated rather quickly.

 

We do...briefly. But the two wars you're talking about are not Afghanistan/Iraq or even Vietnam levels of mobilization; we're talking about a World War 2 sized war that if it doesn't go nuclear, could last a couple of years. The Donbas region borders Russia, so if you think you've won by kicking Russian troops out of there, you haven't. They can launch against US and Ukrainian military with no supply line problems, and unless you intend to invade Russia and fight all the way to Moscow, you can't win.

Is that your intention?

That's why I said that war is unwinnable.

 

i'm talking about here in US. not china. if say we set 1 child to majority white and allow miniority free birth, that would be discrimination against the majoirty. i'm sure in china Han majoirity feel the same

 

OK this discussion is about China not US whites. They are pretty much at a one child policy voluntarily anyway.

 

Yes Australia is not independent, we just follow US & UK orders, and we are going to pay for that....hard over the coming decades.

 

Sure, poor nations have little exposure to democratic ideas.
But Taiwan made it eventually, so too did South Korea - but
China didn't, nor did North Korea.
You want to live in Taiwan or China? South Korea of North
Korea?
No-one had illusions that a South Vietnam would suddenly
become democratic - but even at its worst people could
have businesses, peasants could own land and the Chinese
could have their gold. All that was taken by the Communists
- the supreme act of Absolute Corruption.

 

Imaginary? Show me a native Nigerian, Mongolian, Indian, South American
and European and I will easily tell them apart.

 

Neither the Russians nor Chinese have remotely the resources to fight a two year war with the United States.

 

I don't believe that in the least. I don't think we have the resources to fight a two year war with the Chinese or Russians, let alone both.

I'm honestly not getting this desire of some to get in an unwinnable war with adversaries with virtually no upside for the US but a whole lot of downside.

 

Destroying the Chinese and Russians is definitely upsides for the U.S. in the long run. Eliminating China as an economic competitor to the U.S. and eliminating Russian geo political influence in Europe once and for all.

You do know that the war with Russia and war with China would be completely different types of conflicts.

War with Russia would be a massive land war supported by tactical air power
War with China would be large scale naval combat supported by naval air power.

In all likelihood in such a conflict, the U.S. would send all of its deployable carrier battle groups (six or seven) to the western Pacifc to take on the Chinese while leaving the British and French carrier forces to deal with the Russian naval tforces in the North Sea, Baltic, and Black Seas.

The U.S. would send the vast bulk of its Army and Marine Corps to fight the Russians in Poland, the Baltics, and Ukraine. If only half our NATO allies supported our effort there that would effectively double the number of troops we could bring to bear against the Russians

If we're worried about their nuclear weapons we can simply build several thousand ABMs to deal with them.

One for the history books.

 

Count me out.

 

I cannot see the U.S., or any other nation, getting in a full-scale war against China, over Taiwan. If China uses the military option, it's hard to imagine they wouldn't, ultimately, succeed-- regardless of any weaponry Taiwan would have any liklihood of being sent, by other nations. Preventing an invasion of such a large island as Taiwan, so close to China-- with its essentially endless supply of soldiers, its now very large navy, and relatively sophisticated air force-- would be a tougher challenge than Hitler faced, in preventing D-day. It is something that Taiwan would have needed to've been preparing for, longer than China has been enhancing its capacities to enable an invasion.

I am not familiar with Taiwan's military, or its fortifications, so far as air defenses, and shoreline artillery, but I find it hard to believe that China would have stood by and allowed those defenses to have significantly developed, in Taiwan.
Even if the Taiwanese had superior quality aircraft, from the U.S. (which I don't know to be the case), the numbers game would almost certainly still be inexorably against them.

The long & the short of it is, if Xi decides it is worth the expense, & the rest of the government supports him, China can take Taiwan, w/o any foreign troops playing a major role. The blow-back, will be in international sanctions, as well as just in China's reputation, which it has, for many years now, been burnishing. This being the case, I don't see why developments in Ukraine should play a large part in their decision.

 

As we have learned, the aftermath is just as much a problem as the war itself, which WILL NOT not be as easy as you are making it out to be. Its going to be hard to govern all those people and depending on the carving up of the spoils you will just create other threatening "economic competitors" to the U.S. The aftermath always costs more than the destruction that proceeds it.

-And after we take over mainland China, will we deny all those people work or end up with the same problem? Everything would have to be rebuilt on someones dime, investments on a major scale would have to be made, and all those people would definitely be willing to work for even lower wages for survival.

 

If it's too costly for China to try, they likely won't. But we have to be ready and willing to put up if we want to stop them. No namby-pamby, meaningless gestures of support, and no promises we're not willing to keep.

If it comes down to it, it's a battle for freedom and a fight against tyranny. It is a shame to see Americans want to back down from that. It's as shameful as watching Americans storm their own Capitol and embrace an authoritarian dimwit.

Also bear in mind that we would not be alone. We have allies in the region who would likely be involved, and that, too, has a deterring effect on China. But we can't have a credible deterrent when Americans return to early 20th century isolationism due to years of misinformation about our foreign efforts coming from our adversaries. We do awesome work abroad to help people find peace, security, freedom and economic prosperity. Being willing and able to stand up to a bully like China is an essential part of that.

 

I have no doubt. No doubt what so ever that should China invade, then Xoe Xiden will unleash a campaign of military might that the world has never seen. He will oppose them with such an overwhelming force that the Chicoms will tuck tail and run away, knowing that they are dealing with big Xoe. After words, Joe will force them to remove all commies in China, not the ones in Washington tho, then restructure the Chinese into a big beautiful republic.
This is what I believe.

 

There is a great deal of leeway between Isolationism and being Freedom's Policeman, throughout the world. Understandably, American citizens do not want to assume this role in every conflict, especially if the real-world ramifications to ourselves are not readily apparent. That doesn't preclude the possibility of us stepping in, to end a genocide, for example, even if it doesn't directly impact us. That would be about enforcing the idea that certain, atrocious behavior is intolerable, anywhere on our planet (note, though, it hasn't guaranteed our involvement, either, in these instances). But trying to hold the line against ANY human rights violations, or any, internationally unlawful use of force is akin to a single person trying to hold back the floodwaters from a foundationally unsound dam, on his own-- it's a matter of practicality.

I already discussed with you, in a different thread, the untenable prospect-- even if we fought a costly, deadly war, & staved-off China's assault-- of CONTINUING to keep Taiwan safe, in the future. We would just find ourselves in another 38th Parallel situation. I believe your OP said that America's pledges to support Taiwan have always been non-specific; I do not see that as accidental.

When troops from other countries can stand guard against authoritarianism, as well, it will be a different world, allowing for greater prospects, and a revised calculus. As things, in fact, are, however, the damsel Liberty-- as much as I adore her-- finds herself in need of too much assistance to be able to count on Uncle Sam to, everywhere in the world, be saving her.

 

Who says anything about "conquering". Especially not mainland China. Why would we want to bother with it? Destroy their navy and merchant marine then we can completely control the Chinese economy.

 

i'm talking about 50s KMT not the current one, back then i doubt anyone would know what happen in the future. also it take KMT loss for them realize their deep rooted corruption. in 50s the chinese peasant is not gonna say "oh lets wait 50 years for KMT to change" lol

 

their one child policy is gone now, before han ethnic can only get one, minority group can get 2/3. my point was if someone tell you can have only 1 kids because you belong to ethnic majority, you gonna call unfair/discrimination .

 

and what happen china backing NK to invade SK? then you got a land war in korea, at that point draft is needed, nuclear war might even possible. add to that what happen if russia take advantage and invade ukraine. if china invade taiwan, they are going all in, otherwise no point to start the invasion in the first place.

 

The South Koreans can probably handle the North Koreans with the support of the U.S.

Lots of people would be killed on the Korean Peninsula. At least 500,000 give or take (including 20,000 American civilians).

Too bad.

 

Already calculated up thread.