US-Military-Security-Complex is destroying peace and the US economy

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  1. Jazz

    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    The military/security complex makes certain that no moves toward peace can succeed. Its lobbyists have succeeded in undoing all the arms control agreements reached with Russia since the 1960s.

    I am perplexed, why the wonderful United States of America, the Land of the Free, allows that to happen? Maybe you, fellow posters, can explain it to me?
    Thanks.

    Read here:
    https://www.lewrockwell.com/2020/10...-is-destroying-both-peace-and-the-us-economy/
     
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    Jazz Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    It asks in the above article,
    I never even knew Trump is winding down US' aggression and meddling in other countries' affairs! That is simply what America does and has done since WWII.
     
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    Because an influential segment of the population of the Military Industrial Complex believe that the planet can only support about five hundred million people. This idea goes back to Malthusian Catastrophe Theory.

    The USA Military Industrial Complex is divided........... and perhaps our buddy AboveAlpha......
    has taken up the cause of the other seven point five billion Deplorables.........

    with AA on our side.....
    our odds have greatly increased of dying of old age....... and of our children and grandchildren dying of old age......

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    I do believe that he is attempting to do so......
    the possible execution of at least one if not two high level USA political leaders over the past couple of years for their possible role in the assassination of JFK...... is evidence that President Trump wishes to humble the deepest members of the "deep state."
     
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    They haven't called Craig Roberts a commie, but they have been calling him a kook from the time he began blasting Washington for undoing the peace treaty between Pres. Bush and Gorbachev. He was one of Reagan's financial advisors at the time, so he was embedded in the administration. He feared that what the Pentagon was doing, was throwing us into WWIII - as it is.

    What a pity, he is one of the most brilliant men in the country, as was Stephen Cohen who died recently, yet instead of asking them for advice, the Washington self designated 'gods' either ignored them or slandered them.


    "...It is Washington that is aggressive toward Russia and China, not the other way around. The military/security complex desperately needs foreign enemies in order to maximize its budget and power. Russiagate’s purpose was to prevent Trump from removing a valuable “enemy” by normalizing relations with Russia..."


    WASHINGTON GODS
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    Take that you fools of misery.
    For we the gods of lofty see,
    are watching you from our great height
    and snicker at the motley sight
    of lesser beings, not as bright
    as us.

    It's why we always set the rules
    so we can lord it over fools,
    who knowest not what's really good,
    and they should.
    It's us! - Jeannette
     
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    Jeannette Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    I think our policies since WWI have been formed by Britain. If it were otherwise, we would never have entered into a war with Germany when they were such a large segment of our population. They not only spoke German and married Germans, but conducted their business in German as well. In addition, the Irish hated the British, so there was no way we could have become allies unless there was a lot of influence from across the pond.

    Britain controlled us ever since, and sees us as their military arm. Roosevelt tried to change that, but after his death Truman fell right back under British influence. I believe John Kennedy was trying to change that - or at least he was trying to change something which to be honest I'm not that knowledgeable about. What I do know for sure though, is that the CIA and Johnson did kill Kennedy.

    If we were not influenced by Britain, I think our foreign policy would have been a lot different. Right now though, Trump seems to be against the one world order and government that the liberals are trying to impose on the world. As a Christian I know that a one world government will bring about the antichrist, but I also know that it won't come about yet. WWIII will delay it for about 30 years.

    Anyway this is my opinion for what it's worth. :oldman:
     
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    You have a good understanding of American history, Jeannette, better than I do. And yes, the Brits did get the Americans to fight their wars against Germany... the First as well as the Second WW.

    I came upon a humorous letter, written to Churchill by a California mother of three:

    "Every time you appear on our shores, it means something very terrible for us. Why do you not stay at home and fight your own battles instead of always pulling us into them to save your rotten neck? You are taking foul advantage of our blithering idiot of a president.
    (June 19, 1942)."

    Priceless, isn't it?
    Anyway, the link for the rather long article follows right here, feel free to read all of it:

    http://www.ihr.org/jhr/v09/v09p261_Irving.html
     
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    Here we go again...

    Roberts was some sort of Holocaust Denier. That doesn't help.

    He is also a supply sider. Which doesn't work. Also, it's not what he and Reagan did.

    Jeanette, Britain did not form our policies. That's silly. In the 1800s, a naval historian wrote a book that became an international craze, it was super influential. The book said that you became an empire, or you would get crushed by one. That started the era where we tried to make the Phillipines a colony, conquered Cuba, built up the navy.

    Wilson saw WW1 as an opportunity to continue expanding our power and influence.

    FDR and Churchill had extensive correspondence for years. Most of what Churchill wanted got ignored. What I think happened is that FDR came to the conclusion that it would be better to fight them there, instead of here.

    During the Truman years, we were trying to deal with Russia without another massive war. That meant alliances, which also meant some give and take. We remade the world, and that was certainly not their idea.

    The CIA didn't kill JFK. People don't like the assassination, among other things it's a crappy story. All the conspiracy theories have a much better story. When things look chaotic, we have a near instinctual revulsion. But wanting a better narrative doesn't create the facts needed to produce that better narrative.

    Having said all that, I would also like to restrain our imperial project. But I can tell you from experience, that is easier said than done. And Trump isn't doing it.
     
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    Nobody has ever accused Trump of being a genius. :angel:

    As Oliver Stone pointed out so well in his fine documentary "The Untold History of the United States", and as Ike pointed out leaving office in 1961, the military industrial complex utterly controls this country and its government. JFK, RFK and MLK are dead for reasons.
     
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    I read it all, and I was intrigued. I always had my suspicions about WWI especially, since Churchill was the head of the British Admiralty and Roosevelt was the head of the Navy before becoming president. Roosevelt had to have known that the Lusitania was packed with explosives, so there had to have been a collusion between Roosevelt and Churchill.

    The Lusitania's sister ship was torpedoed 3 times and didn't sink, yet the Lusitania was torpedoed once and it sank. Also the German embassy was warning the Americans not to sail and that the ship will be sunk - which means the British were letting the Germans know it was packed with explosives.

    Another one of my suspicions was Mussolini's supposed attack on the boat carrying pilgrims to the Greek island of Tinos. Why would Italy attack a ferry boat on August 15, when it was as much a high holy day for them as it was for the Greeks, and when the monastery near the shrine on the island is Roman Catholic and not Orthodox? It didn't make sense to me - and yet not one Greek to date has questioned the narrative.

    I'm positive it was a false flag attack carried out by Britain so Greece would enter the war on the side of the allies. Crete was a necessary part of Britain's lifeline and the royal family was German, so there was a lot of political friction going on.
     
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    The correspondence between FDR and Churchill is part of the historical record, you can get it from your library, prob as an inter-library loan.

    These are called primary documents. I've found primary sources are usually a good antidote for fanciful notions.
     
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    Lew Rockwell is not a credible source. The fact that you're using it speaks volumes about you.

    There have been numerous arms control agreements between the U.S. and Russia since the 1960s. The INF Treaty of the late 1980s led to the destruction of hundreds of nuclear missiles.
     
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    You have actual proof of this?

    Thought not.
     
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    That you consider the MSM to be a credible source speaks volumes about you....
     
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    Lots of people died after JFK that could have helped in knowing the truth of who was involved in his murder. Killgalen the reporter said she was about to blow the lid off of his murder and before she got the story published she over dosed on booze and several drugs. Her documentation of her investigation including her interview with Ruby.was never found.

    JFK's murder was very professional and loose ends fixed.. The only group capable would be something like the CIA a faction of it. JFK had talked about tearing.it apart and fired its head, Dulles..

    Most of what the CIA did in secret is impossible to prove. It is far too powerful to exist as is.

    It can spy.on.its own oversight committee and Congress allows it.. It has been caught operating above our constitution with no.one caring. Even Congress fears it. Remember what schumer said about it. That it can get a president 6 ways from Sunday!

    The media didn't cover that revelation and no need to wonder why.
     
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    We are interested in our best interests, not the best interests of Russia. I should also mention that we have a dysfunctional federal government and none of us seem to be able to agree on what it should be doing. The less it does the better in my view. But none of that really affects those of us across the land of the free.
     
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    What are you talking about?
     
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    The CIA has been a joke for much of its existence. So much so that the Ford Admin. actually thought putting George H.W. Bush as its director was somehow an improvement.
     
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    A most deadly joke. It does the bidding of big banking and big corporations and those that own them. Or...American interests as they are called.

    It was formed to be an info gathering service for the president so another pearl harbor would not happen. But then operations were added and it became too powerful.
     
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    Talk about "too powerful"!!

    Big Tech goes all in: Silicon Valley launches $100 million anti-Trump ad blitz

    A super PAC bankrolled by Silicon Valley moguls is preparing a massive TV advertising campaign to help boost Democratic candidate Joe Biden against President Donald Trump in the final days before the 2020 US election.

    The $100-plus million blitz includes at least $22 million from Facebook co-founder Dustin Moskovitz.

    Another Democratic megadonor involved is former Google and Alphabet CEO Eric Schmidt, currently advising the Pentagon on technology innovation.

    Read on here:

    https://www.rt.com/usa/504061-silicon-valley-biden-donations/
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    It is mind boggling to realize how obsessed some giant enterprises/companies are to get their particular guy voted in as President. Surely, they must have stakes in the cooker to help them get even more powerful and richer. They are the ones who decide America's fate, not the actual people.
    Back in time, the American people didn't want war with Germany, yet, they were outmaneuvered with finesse! Will they again become the losers?
     
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    Your best interests don't help you when you are homeless!
    Neither will your "dysfunctional" Government help you as a homeless person!!

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    More than half a million Americans are homeless, two-thirds of them living in just nine states: California, New York, Florida, Texas, Washington, Massachusetts, Oregon, Pennsylvania and Georgia.

    Many homeless people are already disadvantaged in American society.

    Even registering to vote usually requires proof of residence. Some states require that a person prove they have lived in the state, or the municipality, for a period of time before the election. These requirements are difficult – if not impossible – for homeless people to fulfill.

    Many states also require some sort of identification to prove the prospective voter’s age and U.S. citizenship. After 9/11, laws in 26 states were changed to require a permanent address to obtain a government identification card, a luxury that homeless people, by definition, do not have.
    In 11 states, convicted felons face further restrictions, including post-sentence waiting periods, requirements to pay all fines and fees, or even that they must seek a governor’s pardon before being allowed to vote again.

    By the end of 2020, there may be many more homeless Americans than there were at the end of 2019: One estimate indicates massive unemployment as a result of the pandemic could boost homelessness by 40% to 45%.

    https://nationalinterest.org/blog/r...-will-struggle-cast-their-ballots-year-170818
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    Which President will devote himself to help the homeless in the country... Trump or Biden?
    I heard, Trump has worked hard to help up the economy, create jobs and thus raise the living standards of the people, hopefully.
    There is plenty of money flying around, it just needs to be directed to the right place... the working class!
     
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    I didn't read past the first sentence and the image. It is not an appropriate role for government to subsidize personal incomes. You have no idea what made the U.S. as wealthy and powerful as it is.
     
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    Oh yes, I do have an idea... Black slave labor?!!!
     
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    Don't be ridiculous. Black slave labor did not industrialize and urbanize the United States.
     
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    I just hope one day we will get the actual truth of those 3 conspiracies you mentioned. I won't hold my breath though
     

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