US sanctions on Riyadh would mean Washington is stabbing itself

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  1. Destroyer of illusions

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    http://english.alarabiya.net/en/fea...would-mean-Washington-is-stabbing-itself.html

    The scandal surrounding the likely murder of the Washington Post American tabloid journalist Jamal Hashukji, who disappeared in Istanbul on October 2 after visiting the consulate of Saudi Arabia, is gaining momentum.
    Earlier media reported that the US Senate offered the administration of Donald Trump the option of introducing a package of sanctions against Riyadh in connection with the possible murder of a journalist, for which the head of the White House promised to "severely punish" the SA if its fault was proved.
    The Saudi prince, in turn, denied all accusations, noting that the royal family is not going to respond "to false accusations and attempts to put pressure on Riyadh", and also threatened that in case of economic restrictions from the US against Washington painful contractions were taken.

    In other words, even the Bedouins spit on US hegemony.

    The Bedouins are openly threatening the Americans, thereby showing that they can kill American journalists with impunity. And even threaten to make a collapse of the American economy. This is a bad sign. It’s one thing when an equal adversary (Russia) is ready for confrontation, and it’s quite another when a petty terrorist state threatens collapse in USA.

    This means that the rats are running from a sinking ship.

    It surprises me, what with stubbornness, worthy of asses, the madmen in the White House and the Pentagon are continuing the clearly failed sanctions policy. And this is instead of international and equal cooperation for the benefit of all the peoples of the world.

    However, as Vladimir Lenin said, "The state is a dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class." And since the ruling class in the United States is crazy globalists, liberal idiots and embezzlers-oligarchs, the United States is spend dictatorship in the interests of these villains.

    What do you think about it?
     
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  2. Mac-7

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    I think the US should not impose sanctions on SA
     
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    I do not know what will be better. On the one hand, if you do not impose sanctions, you can kill American citizens in any country. Because the SA was left without punishment. But on the other hand, I think that the introduction of sanctions is very painful for oil prices and, therefore, for the American economy. And not only on the American. I think that the EU will also suffer from these sanctions.
    I think that the United States should cooperate with Russia. Because now Russia has a great influence on the countries of the Middle East. And it seems to me that only joint actions can “save face”, as the Japanese say. But you yourself know perfectly well the madmen in the White House and Congress. Therefore, my wishes can change little.
     
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    The Saudi journalist was not an American citizen.
     
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    If they dont do anything then all it says about the us is hipocrit considering they put sanctions on russia for less with less evidence
     
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    Exactly that ... think about it, if it had been an oppositional Russian journalist living abroad, who for whatever reason enters a Russian consulate and does not leave it alive the same way.

    The **** Storm by Trump via Twitter and generally from the US would be gigantic in this case!
     
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    I don't know. The response to the novichok killings has been pretty muted. In fact the biggest single thing to happen has been a 10% drop in house prices in Salisbury.

    https://www.theguardian.com/money/2...rices-fall-by-nearly-10-after-novichok-attack

    Now if Iran had done something comparable they I agree, President Trump would have lit up Twitter like a Christmas tree.
     
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    So, Jamal wasn't actually a US citizen. He had residency, but was still a Saudi citizen. Evidently, why he had to go to the consulate in the first place, because he needed their permission to marry, right?

    Perhaps, the better position is for the US not to take a position here. The affiliation to the WAPO aside, are liberals actually suggesting (contrary to their historic position that the US isn't the world police) that suddenly the US needs to act as the world's cop here? Wouldn't this be like a precedent and all for them?

    So to me, the conversation is why the US needs to involve themselves here, at all. Perhaps not a popular position to take because journalists all feel like the belong to a special club and all, but seriously, why take a position yet?
     
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    That's because the entire world except London and Washington knows that the Salisbury event was contrived by spooks in London.
     
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    Tough call. No sanctions means the Saudis will think they can do anything with impunity. It would also make Trump / US look weak.

    Sanctions will mean the Saudis will feel compelled to retaliate. They have massive assets in US, so they can play with that, and more obviously they can play with oil prices. Playing with oil prices could backfire in a major way, because over the past decade US has made massive strides toward becoming oil independent, and OPEC playing games with us would only accelerate it, which in turn would weaken the Saudis. Thirdly, the Saudis have said they could allow Russia to build military bases in SA, and purchase arms from Russia and China. That could really tick off Washington DC.
     
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    More like everyone except conspiracy theorists and those aligned with Moscow.
     
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    LOL, we are all conspiracy theorists Don. You hold to the particular theory advanced by London and Scotland yard, I do not.

    I hold to the theory that the entire event was contrived for public relations. This fantastically toxic substance created by the Russians didn't even kill the targets. You seem easily led to your conclusion that coincides with London's.
     
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    I'm more likely to trust representatives of a democratically elected government than propaganda from a despot-led dictatorship.
     
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    You're very likely to believe everything you're told by mainstream media. You prefer western propaganda and groupthink, I prefer independent thinking.
     
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    No, you prefer Russian propaganda.
     
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    You might be right about that. Russian propaganda does not seem as offensive as western propaganda, nor as desperate and hypocritical.
     
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    As a foreigner you neednt worry about what America does about Saudi Arabia
     
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    If the Saudis / OPEC hike oil prices, most countries will have a reason to worry.
     
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    If we follow the euro demands to punish saudi arabia the saudi’s are more likely to hike prices
     
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    They are the only reason US hegemony exists.
    The only reason we can print with impunity.
    Washington won't touch them
     
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    Yes, probably. They should think twice before making such demands. It's a tough call. Damn if you do, damn if you don't.
     
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    Yes, that is true. As long as oil is traded in USD, there will be massive demand for USD. That could be why EU wants to rock the boat with this incident. Tensions between US and SA might help them sell the idea of using Euro.
     
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    Trump has decided to defend Saudi Arabia on this issue, so clearly it will be brushed away like it never happened.
     
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    On the one hand lefties attack America when we try to be the worlds policemant

    And now they will attack us if we dont attack the Saudi’s
     
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    Like I said the 'lefties' (EU) might have been hoping to see US-Saudi relations deteriorate, because it would/could have helped them advance their own agenda. Damn if you do, damn if you don't, meaning we had to choose one of the lesser evils. We will avoid Saudi counter action(s), but in the other hand now the Saudis know they can get away with murder aka they have us by the cahones. IMO Best thing to do going forward would be to lessen our dependency on their oil and on their investment in US. That way they won't be able to influence our decisions in the future.
     

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