US sanctions on Riyadh would mean Washington is stabbing itself

Trump stated he would severely punished SA if evidence proves they did. Turkey claims to have the evidence but as of yet has not produced. The US doesn't need to prove anything to anyone. We've been both a war mongering country and as you say "a paper tiger." The US needs to learn to pick it's battles better. And starting a war just to save face is not the way to choose better.

 

If their is evidence SA murdered the journalist then the US should not stay out of it. Until then we should.

 

Yes.

Keep wondering.

 

Why do you cite RW sources? And where do you think you are on the left/right spectrum?

 

All pundits who work for spy agencies are obviously spies.
I would like to think that most pundits still do not work for spy agencies.

 

Reality usually sets in shortly after a national election.

 

Truth has no such spectrum. Conservative Professor Antony Sutton wrote/spoke the truth about Republican party treason and fully documented everything he taught. Because of this he was blackballed and denied him access to the lecture hall after he was kicked out of Stanford. To me, that is a crime against humanity. To this day not one critic has ever refuted his teachings.

If conservatives were as principled as they claim to be they would have stood up for him. Further, they would spread his teachings in public forums such as lectures, documentaries, and discussions such as this one. While they continue to venerate an antichrist like Ayn Rand who was a liar, hypocrite, pervert, and welfare recipient, they pretend Sutton (a genuinely principled conservative) never even existed.

So why cite Sutton? Because of the TRUTH he taught.

Where do I see myself on that left/right spectrum? As I mentioned, the TRUTH has no such spectrum. Just the facts - the documented facts, the TRUTH. That is why I back up everything I say on this forum. For example, just the other day a right winger again pretended that Obama threw Israel under the bus - a fairy tale repeated on this forum innumerable times. Once again, I documented the fact that Obama gave that country $38 billion. How the hell can he give all that money and 'throw it under the bus'? Read my posts and you will see dozens of such refutations that I have made, not with mere opinion but with documented facts.

 

Totally agree with you. But unfortunately the crazy in the White House and the Pentagon have started many conflicts lately. Starting from the war in Iraq, under a false pretext, and ending with threats and sanctions against other countries. Even to the detriment of the American economy.

 

The US has been working with SA for years now fighting terrorists. Has anyone stop to consider how much recorded information SA has on the CIA's interrogation methods? How many people have been killed during an "interrogation?" A certain party and liberal MSM should stop pushing Trump to pressure SA into what really happened to the journalist if they don't want to know what the CIA under the Obama administration did to people who were suspected of being terrorist. This is a very slippery slope due to America's activities in fighting the war on terrorism.

 

The only war the "crazy in the White House" has started is a trade war. What war are you referring to?

 

Bush Jr. is no longer "the crazy in the White House."

 

Truth is not political, and human attachment to the truth is tenuous.

So is your truth "RP Evil DP Good"?

 

Trump did not start the war in Iraq. Surely you know that.

Donald Trump: “Look, the war is a disaster. The war should not have been entered into,” he told the Dallas Morning News in a July 2004 interview. “To lose all of those thousands and thousands of people, on our side and their side. I mean, you have Iraqi kids, not only our soldiers, walking around with no legs, no arms, no faces. All for no reason. It is a disgrace.”
THINK PROGRESS, The Surprisingly Strong Progressive Case For Donald Trump BY JUDD LEGUM JUL 25, 2015 8:57 AM
http://thinkprogress.org/politics/2015/07/25/3684164/case-for-donald-trump/

 

I have condemned members of each party where warranted. Recall my condemnation of Gulf of Tonkin as an example. Also recall my condemnation of Downing Street Memo. Real TRUTH knows no partisanship.

 

Read the classics. Vladimir Lenin: "The state is a dictatorship of the ruling class in the interests of the ruling class"
Bush, Obama, Klington, Trump, ... Kennedy, ...Roosevelt,... Lincoln, and all the rest — represent the interests of the ruling class. That is the interests of the oligarchy. The name of the president does not matter.
For example, in Russia during the reign of Stalin, the ruling class was the proletariat, in other words - a man of labor. Consequently, the state carried out a dictatorship in the interests of the working man.
In the US, the ruling class is an oligarchy, just as it is now in Russia, therefore the state expresses the interests of the oligarchy.

 

Naturally, I know who started the war. But the American president is a puppet in the hands of the ruling class of the oligarchy. I hope you remember how before the elections, Trump said that it is necessary to cooperate with Russia? But the elections are over - and what do we see now? Do you really think that the American president is independent in his decisions? "Judge not according to the words, but according to their deeds"

 

Most RP politicians have become very repulsive to ordinary Republican voters. Over 40 of them have chosen to retire rather than face voters in November.
And yet the DP seems determined to lose another election cycle. Michael Moore seems to be the only prominent Democrat who has a clue about what is happening to the DP.

“I think the thing with Woodward’s book and all the other stuff where we talk about Trump, and try to just kind of (write him off), that he’s just an idiot, he’s crazy… all these names we attached to him, like he said, he’s president and you’re not. He’s so dumb he figured out how to win the White House by losing. How do you do that? That’s like, Wow!!!”

SHOWBIZ 411, Michael Moore Thinks Donald Trump Wrote NYTimes Op-Ed Piece: “He’s the master of distraction, he wants us to believe there are adults in the room”, By Paula Schwartz - September 15, 2018 11:50 am.
http://www.showbiz411.com/2018/09/1...ts-us-to-believe-there-are-adults-in-the-room

 

Not even close: America has never had a Lenin, a Stalin, nor a Putin. All Trump is a piker, a tyrant wannabe...but it ain't gonna happen in his lifetime.

 

Finally, someone telling it like it is: Saudi Arabia is a totalitarian theocratic monarchy. It is a monstrous cancer. The Saudi family terrorizes its population, brutalizes its citizens, and tortures and murders its dissidents. it just murdered a human being in its own embassy. It is antithetical to America's principles of individual liberty and rule of law. It has no right to exist. Sever all relationships now, while warning them, you are on the path to your own annihilation.

 

Let Russia punish them. They are the flagship of freedom of speech in the world expecially when it comes to journalists and journalism. So Salman killed this journalist, Russia as a duper power should step in and punish Riyadh accordingly.
What think you do?

 

What are 'spy agencies'? Most pundits report to their country's diplomatic corps and some do it quite openly

 

Excuse me, I have to vomit.

What Mr. Truth denigrates:

Ayn Rand: "Man’s life, as required by his nature, is not the life of a mindless brute, of a looting thug or a mooching mystic, but the life of a thinking being—not life by means of force or fraud, but life by means of achievement—not survival at any price, since there’s only one price that pays for man’s survival: reason."
http://aynrandlexicon.com/lexicon/man.html

I think Professor Sutton would agree with her...and that's the truth. Where they might disagree is on conspiracy theories and their significance, as-well-as many many other aspects of existence and man's rightful place in it.

 

CIA, FSB/MI6/INR ...