US shutting down Dakota Access oil pipeline protest camp

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  1. sawyer

    sawyer Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    A meaningless temper tantrum because you got outed. Your not against pipe!Ines your just anti oil period. If you stopped pipelines you'd then go after trains then trucks then ......
     
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    I'm pro air that does not cause health problems. That takes integrity to reason.

    Combusting petroleum really screws up the air used to burn it. Not good for children and other living things. But, maybe you do not have the integrity to reason that properly.
     
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    As I said you are anti oil not anti pipeline, thanks for admission of that fact yet again
     
  4. ChristopherABrown

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    Oh, so you advocate the people with their taxes compensate for the damage caused by private companies. I, and many others do not want to do that and we DO want the gulf as it was, now!

    How did that work in the gulf after the BP spill. http://www.npr.org/2015/04/20/40037...oil-spill-effects-linger-and-recovery-is-slow

    http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2015/04/bp_spills_effects_debated_by_s.html

    https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2014/apr/09/wildlife-gulf-of-mexico-bp-oil-spill

    http://www.nola.com/environment/index.ssf/2014/04/bp_oil_spill_scientists_strugg.html

    It will be years before the full extent of the impacts are known, let alone compensated for. And, I really do not think there is a way to actually compensate for them. It a pretense of compensation instead of compensation.

    http://www.cbsnews.com/news/sick-deformed-fish-spotted-after-bp-gulf-of-mexico-oil-spill/

    http://www.alternet.org/story/15503...mors:_the_horrific_consequences_of_bp's_spill
     
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    What damage by the BP oil spill ?? It's cleaned up. BP paid for it.
     
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    You would think that if you did not read the links. BP covered initial, obvious, short term damages only.
     
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    What are the long term damages ?? It's been seven years. What actual long term costs are being incurred ??
     
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    The science is still cataloging the delayed recoveries of various species that the local economy depended on. Not all areas are recovering. Read this link.

    https://www.eurekalert.org/pub_releases/2016-01/uocf-rs010716.php

    Scientists have been studying the effects of the Deepwater Horizon oil spill on the Gulf of Mexico for years, but research by University of Central Florida professors - and a $1.5 million grant that funds their work - could shed new light on undetected pollution lurking beneath the seafloor.

    The catastrophic blowout of the Deepwater Horizon drilling rig in 2010 caused the largest oil spill in U.S. history, releasing an estimated 206 million gallons of crude oil into the gulf before it was capped 87 days later.

    While visible evidence of the spill is largely gone, evidence of toxic compounds carried in the oil lingers. Some of those chemicals, known as polycyclic aromatic hydrocarbons (PAHs), are classified as hazardous because they can cause genetic mutations and cancer in organisms that come into contact with them.

    There are hundreds of PAHs present in the environment, but the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency tracks only 16 of them, the ones the agency lists as "priority pollutants." UCF chemistry professor Andres Campiglia says that many of the PAHs not included in the EPA list are actually more toxic than the ones being tracked.

    "It is possible that many of those pollutants still remain in the gulf, and the true picture of the spill's environmental impact and effect on the ecosystem - and human health - is unknown," Campiglia said.

    So why are those potentially more dangerous PAHs not routinely monitored in the environment? According to Campiglia, one of the main reasons is the lack of reliable analytical methods.
     
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    Again what are the damages ??
     
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    They are more toxic than originally thought and marine food industries have lost a lot of healthful product. Duh.

    Just shows the level of responsibility of the poor sciences involved with the oil industry and how they really don't know what they are doing to the environment. Then a questionable party like yourself works to interpret as this "no damage" when really the damage is so widespread it's not really known yet.

    Are you a Citizen of an American State? You do not act like it.
     
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    How much are the losses and how much has BP paid in fines and damages ??
     
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    How much is your life worth?
     
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    So no answers to the economics of the BP spill ??

    According to the EPA it is worth $9.1M.
     
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    Sounds about what I saw. They will be paying twice that much before there is a quantifiable replenishment of the marine life wasted.
     
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    How did the EPA come up with that $9.1M valuation ??
     
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    The toxified species have not bounced back.

    Blue crabs and oysters have not come back. The testing is not widespread enough to get a good picture on toxicity of course.

    http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt...afood-is-back-but-the-crabs-and-oysters-arent

    That oyster company owner said this.

    "Sunseri won’t even call it a spill. “I’ll never say it’s anything but a disaster. It’s not a spill, because spills are easily cleaned up, and this is the gift that keeps on giving.”"
     
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    What is the source of the $9.1 million valuation used for a human life ??

    What are the totals for 2015, 2016 ?? What is the normal variation year to year ??
     
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    9.1 is your number. I think it's an error and is supposed to be 900.1 million.

    I have no idea of what 2015/2016 payments on damages are. I do think that the long term, near permanent damages can be determined now. Whether or not anyone will is another question.

    The fact is our planet is a closed ecosphere and we need to be very careful to not upset natural balances with our larger populations.

    Communication between people is key and it currently serves commerce and profits, so we are likely to upset those balances, if we already have not.
     
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    Why is it too much to ask that all of those protesters who destroyed the land on which they protested to be responsible enough to clean it up? Why does the Corp of Engineers have to go in and do it for them? And isn't this so typical of the hyperbolic environmentalists? They are like locusts who stream in and do nothing but destroy the world around them. I suppose having looked into mirrors, they fear all of the rest of the world are like them, and that creates their fear. Maybe, just maybe, it's just them.
     
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    Since the bridge was shut down, and in the days after that witnesses stated that Dapl security lit the vehicles on fire, not water protectors. That made getting in and out, moving stuff more difficult.

    Then, the arrests stopped those people from doing anything to clean up.

    Most of the stuff is not trash. It is donated goods that were abandoned. Recall, people were chased out.

    Now, there is another more edgy aspect. The agitators that refused to protest prayerfully and peacefully.

    I'm sure they were sent there to sabotage the event, and the tribe failed to find a method to filter them out before they were a problem. Recall the blacbloc that infiltrated OWS protests turning them into riots. They were seen being bussed in a dropped off six blocks from the demonstrations. Soris was found to be funding the rioting in Fergusen.

    So stepping into this thread with your post seems to be working to take advantage of the meddling sabotage rather than providing a comment based upon informed opinion.
     
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    This is yet another case of the capitalists waging class warfare against the people.
     
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    Absolutely, but a wide streak of fascism has appeared and that creates a need for unity that can effectively oppose such fascism having authority in this nation.

    Only the people can effectively oppose this collusion between high government, multinational energy corporations, law enforcement and the courts.

    The people must dissolve their petty differences that were created by corporate media to disable them from unity that might effectively oppose uncontrolled capitalism.

    Overcoming the abridging of the PURPOSE of free speech is the most difficult aspect. But American state citizens can do it, IF they realize the real hope that lies simply in the agreement they can make with other citizens that makes them "the rightful masters of the congress and the court."
     
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    delete dupe
     
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