US tanks arrive in Germany to help Nato defences

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  1. Questerr

    Questerr Banned

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    Technically all over the place in Nevada, Siberia, and the South Pacific.
     
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    What??? They did them a favor??? Sure … so any independence of sovereign countries is only a matter of the US is allowing this! So maybe in reverse Russia is doing Ukraine, Georgia and Syria a favor too by protecting them or parts of them against Western criminals … to use Russian Propaganda terms this time?

    And the USA never did anything similar? Grenada, Panama, Iraq, Vietnam … sure, they never did!

    And instead starting real good relations with Russia too after USSR felt apart too … for what Russia was willing … the Western behavior was impudent by ignoring Russia and their thoughts same way as those of “Unimportistan in Central Africa”.

    No I don’t excuse Russia and for sure not USSR, but I do attack this silly Western behavior to blame Russia for being bad boy for things, which the West does not better! By fact is the situation like this:

    A criminal acting accused another criminal acting that he acts criminal! Ridiculous!

    Let’s take Ukraine and we have here a situation that Russia friendly regime was dismissed by a sort of coup … and our Westerners had nothing better to do as directly offer to become EU member and mabye NATO member … as they did before some years ago when Putin clearly warned that then Donbass and Crimea will become part of Russia, but what was ignored and where the Western government laugh about … now they don’t laugh anymore about Russia, eh?

    Let us say … because some kind of actual … that Mexico becomes so p**ssed off of the USA and their wall blabbering that they want to become closer friend with China and this is not total unrealistic with view of Trumps behavior towards them and the silent Chinese expansion on globe (look closer on their involvement in Africa alone as example) and because Mexico has much oil too what is in China needed (they are number 2 in oil production in the West behind the USA!).
    You can start a countdown until the USA will show Mexico that it will be a bad idea with China friendship! But then OK for you … or does the USA Mexico then again only a favor?
     
  3. Mandelus

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    Yeah ... truth! But if the well-known Pro-Russians as Destroyer, DonRumansky or Jeannette go in here, they will explain you very well what Germany did before all in the USSR.
    Aside this, the USA agreed that this area goes to USSR as territory ...
     
  4. Questerr

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    We also agreed to give Russia control of half of Germany. Maybe you'd like Russia to go back to that situation?
     
  5. Mandelus

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    About Kaliningrad = part of Germany nonsense ...

    Baltics are from Kaliningrad so far away as Albany from New York City!
     
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    Well yes technically
     
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    Correct, you allowed this with East Germany and it was the USA + Russia + Great Britain + France who allowed that both Germany reunified in 1991!
    And part of this contract signed by all 6 was, too, that Germany will do never any demand on everything east of Polish - German border since 1945!
    And even more as clear majority of people who fled from there and which mostly died in meantime and so their kids and grand kids of today won't have back anything or even to go back to there!

    But hey .... looking form your origin: Will you agree that Texas becomes back a part of Mexico?
     
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    Not when America has controlled it for more than 150 years.

    Konigsberg suffered genocide and annexation within the span of living people's lifetimes.
     
  9. snakestretcher

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    And half of Ukraine used to be Polish. I know, my family lived there before being 'liberated' by Russians who murdered my grandfather and sent my mother, god rest her, and grandmother into forced labour exile. Her story is told here, by her school friend, Krystyna, who accompanied her into Siberia: https://www.amazon.co.uk/England-Through-Siberia-Journey-without/dp/0951588303
     
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    Having read Mussolini's work, I do believe Fascism(as a Fascist-Technocrat) to be much better than democracy. I also know it to be the most misunderstood political philosophy in the history of mankind. Let's start with one important caveat: It is not government that uses force, but the people within the nation who impel whether force is necessary.

    In other words, if law and order is abided by in the nation then there's no need for any government to use force. But when you break the law, you are incarcerated. This is true in a democracy, and in any form of government. If one accuses the AXIS domestically of using force, one notes that all three nations had insurrections to deal with:

    Italy: Political infighting factions grew violent.
    Germany: The same
    Japan: Just coming out of the Meiji Revolution and the violence that stemmed from there.

    USA for example, does not have that(yet, but the little temper tantrum kids seem to want to get us there.) and even if we do, we have the legal means to deal with the situation in a way that won't be as the other three mentioned countries. But in short, domestically we will not(nor do we need to) use excessive force to have the law comply with the country's people.
     
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    Total IGNORANCE of the History !

    The World has come within a thin thread of Nuclear War a number of times
    Due to the Idiocies and Provocations of Washington's War Mongering

    List of Nuclear Close Calls
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_nuclear_close_calls

    Close Calls:
    We Were Much Closer to Nuclear Annihilation
    ........................................... Than We Ever Knew

    http://www.counterpunch.org/2016/05...er-to-nuclear-annihilation-than-we-ever-knew/


    Only a Fool
    would proudly boast and encourage the further chaffing of that thread

    You might find , that the next War will be fought in "Foxboro MA." -
    ..................................................................... but I doubt if you'll notice :frown:


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    http://www.politicalforum.com/showthread.php?t=490990&page=21&p=1066990675#post1066990675

    Whether it was given or not (which it was)
    It is CLEARLY a very stupid provocation

    Which together with the Illegal Coup, staged & sponsored by the Warmongering SWINE
    in Washington, they present a very real Existential Threat to a heavily Nuclear armed and to
    some extent Paranoid Power - Given recent history -
     
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    I do find it funny that the democrats have become the new war mongering neo-cons.
     
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    Yawn.

    Nothing happened.
     
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    1) What Russian aggression against Germany ?? Russia is not going to attack Germany - this would precipitate a nuclear war.
    2) Tanks are not going to defend anything ? This is like saying you are going to build a wall out of sugar to keep a storm surge from flooding an area. What good is a tank against a tactical nuclear cruise missile ?? This is nonsensical grandstanding with the sole purpose of keeping the ignorant raging masses amused.



    3) It was meddling in the Ukraine elections (by the US and others) and NATO/US considering Ukraine as a NATO member that caused the annexation of Crimea. Everyone that knows anything about the region knew Russia was not just going to let a major strategic interest - a strategic port it has controlled for 4 centuries to fall into the hands of NATO. That Obama and the other NATO clowns were wandering around feigning "what happened - why did the Bear lash out" after poking it relentlessly ... is disingenuous grandstanding.

    What "Ukrainian Occupation" ?? Not sure what the exact figure is but, Russian-Ukrainians make up a significant proportion of the population. Ukraine was civil war .. and the Russians were supporting the Russian side. Aside from Crimea - Russia did not occupy Ukraine.

    Speaking of supporting armed insurgency in a foreign country. This is exactly what the US (in conjunction with Saud, Turkey and others) did in Syria.

    While there has been around 10 thousand killed in the Ukraine conflict. There has been over 400,000 killed in the Syrian Conflict. The Syrian conflict also created a refugee crisis and the worse humanitarian crisis of the decade. Arming the extremist Islamist rebel jihadists ( Islamist = one who wants strict sharia theocracy to be the law of the land/political system and who is willing to wage holy war to this end) - Al Qaeda/Al Nusra, Islamic Front and others of the same was responsible for the rise of the modern incarnation of ISIS which formed from aforementioned groups that the US had armed in Syria.

    The US (and allies) were then arming and supporting ISIS in Syria. It was only when this dog got of it's leash and went into Iraq in 2013 that all of a sudden ISIS is the enemy.

    Russia then had to come and clean up the mess the US made in Syria.

    The US/NATO is crying about the annexation of Crimea (which in reality was not much of annexation as that region has always defacto been under Russian control). What then about Kosovo ? When NATO annexed Kosovo from Serbia ?

    If US/NATO does not want Russia to be annexing .. perhaps they should not be doing it.

    Then we have Yemen ... another humanitarian crisis that the US is currently supporting ...again with far more atrocities and killing of civilians than in Ukraine. Where is the coverage ?

    Unanswered ? Answer with what ? What exactly is the Answer you are referring to ? Were we supposed to go to war with Russia because they were trying to prevent the terrorist groups, that the US was arming and supporting, from taking over Syria and forming another (like what happened in Libya) nation state run by Islamist extremists ?

    Is this what the people of the US want it's gov't to do ?

    Obama was too busy creating lies and false narratives to mislead the raging masses to cover up what the US has been up to for him to answer anything.
     
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    The First Armored Division has been in Germany for decades during the Cold War. This is just a return.

    It's positive [at least Germans will realize that they are still "under" and Russians that they are still "out"].
     
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    Tanks will no doubt be making that big U-turn once the Trump-Putin administration takes over next Friday...
     
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    No, I'm saying for the elitists of those countries to put all those Euros into their Swiss bank accounts.
     
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    Right on that! This juvenile flag-waving and macho posturing on Russia's border sure is costing you Americans shedloads of dollars.
     
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    Do you really think that some quotations taken from the context are facts?
     
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    War is peace [:
     
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    How is Brexit going?
     
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    America, and Britain, also agreed to gift the Soviet Union half of Poland (our longest standing wartime ally), as a reward for entertaining the Nazis. To this day Poles are bitter over that singularly distasteful act of betrayal-further compounded by not allowing Polish military to take part in VE Day parades for fear of upsetting Uncle Joe. My family's former Polish home town is now in Ukraine.
     
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    You tell me, because our 'government' doesn't seem to know themselves. They certainly aren't telling us.
     

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