US tanks arrive in Germany to help Nato defences

No, because the fools are too preoccupied sending even more troops and hardware to Poland.

 

Did you vote stay or leave?

 

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Sick and seriusy ill NHS patients queued up on trollies along the corridors and out into the car parks and these fools are wasting our money on this macho crap. Fallon is an absolute cnut and if May knows about it she's an absolute wakner.

 

And now Poland can't have that town back, or the US and Europe will cry about the sanctity of national borders, slap Poland with sanctions and surround it with tanks

 

I didn't vote. Nobody from either side of the argument could give me a coherent argument for either staying or leaving without launching an attack on the opposition. I am, however, of the opinion that 'better the devil you know' is a more attractive option than a leap into the unknown, which is what leaving the EU entails.

 

NATO are an expansionist power, on a level of the Communists of the 1940's & 1950's.

Hopefully NATO & the UN will soon be a thing of the past. Russia has no desire to take over Countries like Estonia etc And no one csan proove any different.

The Crimea was Russia for many 100's of years and is to-day righfully Russia again.

The only people that argue that Russia is a threat are people that want war with Russia... Leave them alone and try and get along with them instead of demonising them.

Obama and the Democrats are a war mongering party just like they have always been, just like they were pro-KKK during the American Civil war, the Democrats are a hateful racist party that want war to keep the population in fear and at a continued state of fear.

 

Can history justify occupation of neighbour's land?

 

Yes of course when that land is your own. Crimea was only under Independent Ukrainia for 20 years compared to 100s of years under Russian ownership. Plus under the UN charter of self determination the people of crimea voted overwhelmingly voted to be part of Russia.

Just like Gibraltor & the Falkland Islands the people of those regions want to remain British, the people of crimea want to remain part of Russia, who are you to tell them any different?

 

Wow, what an ignorant statement. In July 2009, Obama and Hilliary overthrew the Honduran government for the 14th time in 110 years.

You need to educate yourself on the number of political assassinations, election influencing, governmental overthrows and the like in Central & South America since the Monroe Doctrine.

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None, since Kennedy backed-down and agreed to withdraw all of the Jupiter missiles from Turkey and Italy in exchange fro the withdraw of Soviet missiles from Cuba.

What's good enough for Israel is good enough for Russia.

 

It is Ukraine's land and Russia itself recognized this land for Ukraine. And if the history is an argument all Europe can burst into wars. So what is the meaning of it. Referendum you say? There was no referendum just farce. No state recognize this comedy. And it was held under occupation.

 

What's good enough for Israel is good enough for Tartars.

No?! [:

 

You needed to be given a coherent argument? Thus because no one handed you your opinion on the matter....you didn't vote?

I see.

Real nice.

 

The BBC keeps on regurgitating the threat to us of Russia's aggression, to which I ask 'What (*)(*)(*)(*)ing 'aggression'? I haven't noticed any sabre-rattling or flag-waving coming from Russia, but I sure have noticed that a lot has been coming from a belligerent Pentagon and its poodle NATO.

 

Poland. Go NATO!

 

I'm not going to join you in pretending there is an equivalence. Democracy and capitalism is superior to communism. Coups are not an honorable or preferable method, but yes, I believe that the US saved a lot of countries from themselves by keeping them from going communist. Look at cuba, that sad miserable excuse of a country. Other countries could have turned out that way too, if there hadn't be a coup or two to prevent them. Henry kissinger said it best: "We don't need to let a country go communist because of the irresponsibility of its people".

Grenada would have been worse off today if communists rule was allowed, and vietnam would have been better today if communists were stopped.. No, it's not the same thing at all. Stopping communists with force is totally justified.

Obviously, the west was arrogant in ignoring Russia, since Russia is still clearly a capable power. it is unfortunate though, that Russian sense of being "important" entails subjugating their neighbors. if that is what is needed in order to have "good relations" with russia, maybe it isn't worth it?

Question is, why does Russia see NATO and EU inherently as enemies? EU is basically just an economic group.. They want to trade lots with russia, and russia has very much to gain by trading with them. NATO is defensive. Russian rethoric is much about how threatening NATO is, but I honestly believe that all Russian officials know that this is 100% bs. NATO isn't a threat to russia and Russia knows it. No, Russia isn't threatened... That's not the problem. The problem is that they don't feel "respected". Russia wants to be able to dominate their neighbors, but if they're part of a large economic or military bloc, that becomes very hard.

I actually hope that Mexico turns to China just to p!ss off trump. It would be funny to watch.

Firstly, the poles did join Hitler in carving up czechoslovakia, so they're not guilt-free themselves. Secondly, there wasn't much the allies could've done even if they wanted. It's not as if the USSR would just give up what they occupied, and there wasn't much the allies could do to persuade them. A war would definitely not be worth it either.

I included all of that in "aside from that". What I mean is, the USA doesn't go around and outright occupy countries like the USSR did. They had a real empire, the US didn't.

 

Poland! Go. Go. Go.

 

A real empire? With what? Neither the Russian Ruble nor East-Bloc currencies were allowed to be traded on the Global Market. How can you have an empire when your currency isn't even recognized?

The US didn't need to occupy countries, because the US murdered heads-of-State and overthrew governments to set up puppets.

 

Yes, and i would call that a sphere of influence, which is seperate from an empire. The usa wasnt an empire.. compare it tp real empires like the british or soviet ones and the difference is clear.

 

Assume that the Russians "hack DNC servers" .
As a result, the people have access to information.
What's wrong with the USA?

 

Nothing. Trump takes office today, and the DNC cabal has been laid upon the ash-heap of history.

 

The US is an empire. The US murders and attempts to murder heads-of-State, overthrows governments, and interferes in the political, social and economic affairs of States.

In military terms, we know that roughly 750 military bases and installations staffed by American military personnel exist in approximately 130 countries around the world. We know that the United States accounts now for roughly two-fifths, 40 percent, of all military expenditures in the world. In strictly military terms, then, there never has been an empire as powerful as America under George W. Bush.

http://nationalinterest.org/article/america-as-empire-now-and-in-the-future-2390

 

No its not, stop using hyperbole.

 

You didn't refute anything I posted. That's because you can't. If you don't understand the real history of the US, you can start here:

http://nsarchive.gwu.edu/NSAEBB/NSAEBB4/

 

I believe that they meant to point you on the definition of the word empire. "A group of nations or peoples ruled over by an emperor, empress, or other powerful sovereign or government: usually a territory of greater extent than a kingdom, as the former British Empire, French Empire, Russian Empire, Byzantine Empire, or Roman Empire." The United States of America has a large sphere of influence but they do not occupy land and control it directly, nor can they make foreign governments do exactly what they want like you would with a puppet state. I would certainly give The United States the status of most powerful country with the largest sphere of influence, but I would not refer to it as an empire.

 

No, it can't be justified in general, but how far you will go back in such rating of being bad or good about countries who do and did such things?
Aside the pure fact that Crimea was long time part of Russia etc. ... the majority of population in Crimea are Russians since same long time and it was the will of majority to become part of Russia.
Sure, you can start to blame now that this was a farce of Russian Propaganda, but be very careful with such thing, because can become fast an own goal for us Westerners ... look on Ex-Yugoslavia and their end abut 20 years ago and the Western behavior here ... very comparable and all arguments to back this Western acting there can be fast rated to be same way a farce too.

I'm for sure no friend of Putin and his politics, but he is a product and result of our shameful behavior and acting against Russia after fall of USSR ... which was also possible due to weak Yelcin too. We can discuss endless if Russia or China is number 2 behind the USA in the world, but no matter how this will end, they are a world power with same own interests as world power which have to be same way respected as we respect the will of the USA in world all the time!
Where were all these Russia critics of our Politics and Media people who shout so heavy against Russia in 2003 when USA attacked criminal way Iraq?
Who of them who shouts so heavy against Assad regime and the backing of Russia behind Assad shouts same way against the Royal Regime in Saudi Arabia?
We do not live in a perfect world for sure, but the current Western behavior against Russia is lame ... not to say hypocritical!