US tanks arrive in Germany to help Nato defences

Discussion in 'Western Europe' started by Throughout, Jan 10, 2017.

  1. Mandelus

    Mandelus Well-Known Member

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    And who gave the USA the right to play the world prosecutor, judge and juror to decide what is good for other independent countries? Are they also having the right to decide what is good for Sweden to save them against themselves if in US opinion on bad way?

    A general debate of communism versus capitalism is superfluous at least, because will bring nothing more as an endless discussion which ongoing since end of WW-2 with no end!
    Obviously you are a still fighting cold war warrior in your mind … I respect this opinion, but I do not follow your thinking here.

    So your “accusing” against Russia is their behavior against neighbors? Then wake up and see what the USA does all the time too!
    The problem is that there is now someone after end of cold war and fall of USSR who is acting the same way as the USA too … and this is making the bad taste for the West. Only ridiculous reactions if at all and not following the USA instead with their criminal attack on Iraq in 2003 but be aware if anyone else is doing the same too!


    Answer is that the “West” including NATO does its best to make Russia believing this! Tell me why there must be this anti IBM system installed in Poland against these so dangerous Iranian and North Korean IBM’s? Do you really believe this total BS of reasoning?
    If yes, then ask yourself why these systems are not installed in Turkey or Greece which are clear nearer as Poland to the threats!
    And if you really start to ask this, then take a closer look on the pure technical background of these systems in Poland and the real (!) threat of the Iranian and North Korean missiles, for example their range data which are coming from same source who reason that these systems have to be in Poland!

    If you don’t wake up after this, then you should maybe look on the so called encircling of US and NATO around Russia. Sure, you can start to argue that these are no threats against Russia again, but will the USA allow any bases of Russia (or China) in Central America in reverse as it is demanded from Russia to accept about US bases etc.?


    I totally agree … and this “scenario” is everything bit not unrealistic! Trump does its best to annoy Mexico and also to annoy China too. So not unlikely that 2 countries being kicked in the “peep” by Trump will become suddenly a friend. Who was before Syria aware that Russia and Iran are closer friend too … or even: Who of our so smart educated and everything knowing Westerners know that Syria and Russia are very close friends since over 60 years and that USSR / Russia has since decades an important base in Syria?
     
  2. SvenO100

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    America has always been blaming the Russians, the EU applies the same tactics when it comes to politics. You won't believe how many times politicans have said something along the lines of "We have to vote this way, or do things this way. Otherwise you're doing something that Putin likes/benefits Putin." They don't even try to argue their point of view anymore, they just point at Russia and expect you to go along with what they say. If the Dutch vote no on a referendum regarding Ukraine, that means that it is not the will of the people, or some other cause such as all the refugees/immigrants that are pouring in. No, it's not that years back a Dutch no vote was also ignored and that the Dutch people, much like other people in Europe, are sick and tired of being ignored by their politicans and the EU. It is abolutely none of that, obviously. It's all so clear, it's just the Russians! With their mind control technology, there is no other reasonable explanation, clearly.

    Russia is just protecting its sphere of influence. America and NATO have been trying to push into this sphere of influence for years, just look at Georgia. They have done the same in Ukraine by overthrowing a corrupt but democratically elected government. In the end nothing has changed, there are still corruption scandals but atleast the government looks favourably upon America. Of course Russia is going to lash out, especially if they might lose their base in Crimea. It's not acceptable by international law, but America isn't respecting international law all that much either. In my opinion they also do not have the right to point the finger at Russia whilst they themselves continue to support Israel, it's the pot calling the kettle black.

    As for Syria, I believe that Russia is doing the right thing. The opposition the EU and America supports are mostly islamic extremists, the only exception being the Kurds. We do not want another Libya, if anything history should have taught America that removing a leading figure will lead to collapse. Actually, they know but they do not care. Any regime is better then a regime that supports a country that is not in line with The United States.
     
  3. lunecat

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    Nonsense, the referendum was recognised World wide. If this valid referendum was not valid then why has the UN not voted to abolish the result?

    Crimea is Russia, get over it! And stop your anti-Russian hate-filled war mongering rhetoric.
     
  4. Throughout

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    The referendum was a farce. Can you say which countries recognized results of the Crimean referendum? Did anybody observe officially this referendum? The answer is - no!
     
  5. SvenO100

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    Majorty of the people in Crimea are ethnic Russians. You also have the Ukranians there that speak Russian, some also speak Ukranian of course. Then last but not least come the Crimean Tartars, they are not the majority. The referendum held didn't need to be cheated or falsified simply because the ethnic Russians and the Russian speaking Ukranians were and are the majority. I have an Ukranian friend myself, he moved to my country when he was young, I have known him since childhood. He is from Crimea originally and he still has family there, he goes to the Crimea ever single year to visit family. He has confirmed numerous times that the people in Crimea do actually want to join with Russia.

    I encourage you to be open to reason and to not linger on a negative bias.
     
  6. lunecat

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    The Supreme Council of Crimea for one! And that is enough for me. Maybe not enough for a war-monger like yourself!

    The Ukrainian population in Crimea is less than 12%. So they lost the referendum! Too bad get over it. The Crimea has always been Russian & will remain Russian and no amout of your war mongering will change that.

    Where do you think any opposition will come from? NATO? .... LOL no chance!!!! that is because all the Political powers know what I have already told you. The Crimea has always been Russia, so there is no milage in taking back the Crimea.


    Oh, of course there is only one reason to make the Crimea a debate & that is pure and simple ... To bash Russia..

    You dirty War monger! Go and wash yourself!
     
  7. Caligula

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    Warmonger?
    This is an ordinary internet forum with political debates. Nothing which is discussed here has any impact on international leaders or could set up possible future military conflicts.
    Some people are completely out of touch with reality it seems.
     
  8. Throughout

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    Recognition of Crimean Referendum

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    Russia has occupied Crimea. All world knows it [: Don't let that Russian propaganda could wash your brain [:
     
  9. SvenO100

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    Could I ask you to express your believes regarding the situation of Crimea and the people in Crimea. I would like to know about how you think they feel about the situation. Afterwards I will present my point of view to you.
     
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    cerberus Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    They've just started anti-Russia and anti-Trump spamming in the Members Casual Chat forum now. I don't know why blatant spamming doesn't earn infractions.
     
  11. lunecat

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    Oh boo-hoo, a few a"alligned" Countries that fear their loss of US funding have refused to endorse the free democratic vote of the people of the Crimea. You still have FAILED over and OVER again to recognise that the free will of the mass MAJOROITY of the peoiple of Crimea actaullay WANT to be part of the RUSSIAN federation...

    If you can't accept this FACT then you are not worth debating, as you are just a slave to anti-Russian propoganda.
     
  12. Throughout

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    There wasn’t a free democratic vote in Crimea. The Crimea is occupied by Russia. It is quite understandable fact even to you [:
     
  13. Baff

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    There was a free democratic vote in Crimea.
    97% voted to join with Russia in favour of restoring Ukraine to it's previous borders.

    The Russian occupation of Crimea is the democratic will of it's people.
    It might not be the democratic will of your people, but your people didn't get a vote, so we will never know.
     
  14. Ole Ole

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    I realize USA need for European security. And Trump will remains in NATO. No USA-U.K. alliance.
     
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    I don't really think the USA UK alliance is in any danger whatsoever.
    Expect that one to last.
     

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