US terminates ‘treaty of amity’ with Iran.....

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  1. MMC

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    President Trump is terminating a little-known “treaty of amity” between the United States and Iran, Secretary of State Mike Pompeo announced Wednesday.

    “This is a decision frankly that is 39 years overdue,” the top U.S. diplomat told reporters.

    Pompeo took that step following a dispute in the International Court of Justice, in which Iran tried to convince the tribunal to order the United States to continue providing sanctions relief under the 2015 nuclear deal. Trump’s team rejected the court’s authority over the matter under any circumstances; the theory of Iran’s case relied on the existence of a decades-old friendship pact that Pompeo emphasized is obsolete.

    The formal withdrawal from the treaty could also preempt another ruling from the ICJ. “This marked a useful point for us to demonstrate the absolute absurdity of the treaty of amity between the United States and the Islamic Republic of Iran,” Pompeo said.....snip~

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...urity/us-terminates-treaty-of-amity-with-iran


    Well that will give Iran something to think about, huh? Been in place for 39 years and it looks like we are done with everything about a friendly relationship. What say ye?
     
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    No, Pompeo (Which in informal, Fasai dialect of Persian means water pump!!) said it is 39 years overdue, not 39 years old.
    The treaty was dealt after US and Britain overthrew Mosaddeq, the only democratically elected Prime minister in Iranian history, as then, the Shahs would appoint the Prime Ministers themselves.
     
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    This administration really needs to be shown that Iran is not the Islamic republic regime.. It has zero chance fighting against the Iranian nation.
     
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    I give them six hours until the Iranians are on their knees begging for mercy once we light up their little world.
     
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    Washington believes only what it wants to believe.



    Dream on Uncle Sam, dream on!
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    I think you better read up on the Iran/Iraq war.
     
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    I know it well enough.

    They couldn't take out Saddam's ragged forces and people think they stand a chance in hell against us?

    That's hilarious.
     
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    A nations strength is the unity of its people when under attack - and especially when the attack is not justified. I'm just being a realist.

    As for Saddam, he had a very formidable army, that's why we destroyed it.
     
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    I don't care how united you are, if you get a 500 lb. bomb dropped on your doorstep you die just like everyone else.
     
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    Meh. The Iranian economy is in terrible shape. The people are starting to rebel. The best thing is to keep the sanctions and let them fester.
     
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    LOL, doesn't Iran have an Elite Republican Guard? Like Iraq did? Bring it on!
     
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    The United States is the lapdog of Israel, Benjamin Netanyahu is Donald Trump's BFF.
     
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    Agreed, and just stop listening to people that attempt to create a message that "refusing to trade is the same thing as war!", which is insanely stupid logic
     
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    You cannot stop people selling medicine and books to Iran, and justify it like that.
     
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    It is like before. I am now abroad, but the news are not indicative of it's being "terrible".
    At the time of UN general assembly, the prices almost doubled, but almost halved afterwards, returning to the previous state.
     
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    I am talking about what is listed in the sanctions.

    "After the 90-day wind down period ends on August 6, 2018, the U.S. government will re-impose the following sanctions that were lifted pursuant to the JCPOA, including sanctions on associated services related to the activities below:
    i. Sanctions on the purchase or acquisition of U.S. dollar banknotes by the Government of Iran;
    ii. Sanctions on Iran’s trade in gold or precious metals;
    iii. Sanctions on the direct or indirect sale, supply, or transfer to or from Iran of graphite, raw, or semi-finished metals such as aluminum and steel, coal, and software for integrating industrial processes;
    iv. Sanctions on significant transactions related to the purchase or sale of Iranian rials, or the maintenance of significant funds or accounts outside the territory of Iran denominated in the Iranian rial;
    v. Sanctions on the purchase, subscription to, or facilitation of the issuance of Iranian sovereign debt; and
    vi. Sanctions on Iran’s automotive sector."

    "i. The importation into the United States of Iranian-origin carpets and foodstuffs and certain related financial transactions pursuant to general licenses under the Iranian Transactions and Sanctions Regulations, 31 C.F.R. part 560 (ITSR);
    ii. Activities undertaken pursuant to specific licenses issued in connection with the Statement of Licensing Policy for Activities Related to the Export or Re-export to Iran of Commercial Passenger Aircraft and Related Parts and Services (JCPOA SLP); and
    iii. Activities undertaken pursuant to General License I relating to contingent contracts for activities eligible for authorization under the JCPOA SLP."

    Medicine is an exception in the sanctions, contrary to your claim:
    "The U.S. maintains broad authorizations and exceptions under U.S. sanctions that allow for the sale of agricultural commodities, food, medicine, and medical devices to Iran by U.S. persons and non-U.S. persons. Broadly speaking, transactions for the sale of agricultural commodities, food, medicine, or medical devices to Iran are not sanctionable unless they involve certain persons on the SDN List, including designated Iranian financial institutions or the Islamic Revolutionary Guard Corps (IRGC), or otherwise sanctionable conduct. Additional guidance relating to these authorizations and exceptions can be found on the OFAC website here [hyperlink to https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/iran_guidance_med.pdf] and here [hyperlink to https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/hum_exp_iran.pdf]."

    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/jcpoa_winddown_faqs.pdf

    "(e) Subsections (a)(ii)–(a)(v) of this section shall not apply with respect
    to any person for conducting or facilitating a transaction for the provision
    (including any sale) of agricultural commodities, food, medicine, or medical
    devices to Iran."

    https://www.treasury.gov/resource-center/sanctions/Programs/Documents/08062018_iran_eo.pdf

    Do me a favor, go blow smoke up someone else's ass. Thanks.
     
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    Like I said in my last post, please blow smoke up someone else's ass. I ain't buying it.
     
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    The survivors take to the hills and keep the fight going.
    Similar to the Soviets against the over powering Nazi invaders.
    Or us, temporarily out gunned and the occupation of Calumet, Colorado.
    Never Forget





    Some peoples just will not surrender.
    And some people are French.


    Moi :oldman:






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    BTW Israel would never surrender.
    They'd probably nuc the whole region first.
     
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    And most people take to the hills and get wiped out anyways.
     
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    You are not.

    During those years that Iran was unders sanction, they refused to sell me book. That's my direct experience
     
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    LogNDog Well-Known Member

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    Who, the president of the United States?
     
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    DJ Trump FTW. :cheerleader:
     
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    Seriously, pondering uniquely American Prose I made my list of top 5.
    This was one of five.



    Commandancy of the The Alamo

    Bejar, Feby. 24th. 1836

    To the People of Texas & All Americans in the World-

    Fellow Citizens & compatriots-

    I am besieged, by a thousand or more of the Mexicans under Santa Anna - I have sustained a continual Bombardment & cannonade for 24 hours & have not lost a man - The enemy has demanded a surrender at discretion, otherwise, the garrison are to be put to the sword, if the fort is taken - I have answered the demand with a cannon shot, & our flag still waves proudly from the walls - I shall never surrender or retreat. Then, I call on you in the name of Liberty, of patriotism & everything dear to the American character, to come to our aid, with all dispatch - The enemy is receiving reinforcements daily & will no doubt increase to three or four thousand in four or five days. If this call is neglected, I am determined to sustain myself as long as possible & die like a soldier who never forgets what is due to his own honor & that of his country - Victory or Death.

    William Barret Travis.

    Lt. Col.comdt.

    P. S. The Lord is on our side - When the enemy appeared in sight we had not three bushels of corn - We have since found in deserted houses 80 or 90 bushels and got into the walls 20 or 30 head of Beeves.

    Travis

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    The killers did lose that war in one of the most lop sided KIA major battles in history.





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    Think Soviets behind Nazi lines in the Great Patriotic War.
    Vietnamese sure made fools of :flagus: technology.
    The Japanese population required a virtual religious experience to cease fighting them on the beaches mentality Churchill espoused. <ta da>
    @Jeannette :blowkiss: is correct about the determination of a populace.
    What Would The French Do? ;)


    Don't you feel more secure knowing most of the 49th parallel is bordered by good Red States with a populace more likely to be individually armed against . . . :flagcanada:?


    Moi :oldman:





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    So who said it was 39 years old?

    Looks like the Waterpump is being turned off, huh?
     

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