US terminates ‘treaty of amity’ with Iran.....

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  1. IranianStudent1

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    I'm sure Americans in general don't feel enemity towards Iranians, as do most Iranians.

    Of course, the US attacked Iran in 1941, and they overthrew the only democratically elected PM of Iran in 1953 (1332 AP), which entailed very dark years. That's why many people hate Americans. Of course, there are many different people in the US like Iran.
     
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    Mosaddegh was faithful to Shah, but contrary to the constitution of that time, Shah wanted exclusive power, which Mosaddegh opposed.
     
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    One of the worst crimes, and worse than that, blunders, the US ever committed.

    Our only defense: we thought that Mossadegh was too unstable to prevent the Tudeh Party from eventually taking over, with the help of the next-door Russians. Which shows how little we knew about the Tudeh Party, which -- from what I've read -- took a very sectarian attitude to Mossadegh instead of building as broad a defense as possible of him.

    What do you think about the current American attitude to Iran? I think it's totally counter-productive, but I'd be interested in your views.
     
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    They apparently want exclusive power.
    I am a reformist and disbelieved in the theory that USA is our enemy. But the more it passes from Trump administration, the more I am getting familiar with how the darker part of US population can be!
    About the Tudeh party, you can always find excuses. How was it related to the US that the Tudeh party might enter the Mosaddegh administration? It's not a good excuse for interfering in a country, causing deaths and political suffocation
     
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    The fear was not that the Tudeh Party would be part of a coalition government, but that it would, with Russian (Soviet) help, become the ONLY party, as had happened in Eastern Europe just a few years earlier. See in particular how they took over Czechoslovakia: this was the nightmare that gripped American minds.

    You see, the great strength of America is its geography: thousands of miles of ocean between it and any possible enemy, a huge, rich, virgin continent to exploit -- absolutely ideal for the growth of liberal democracy: the government didn't have an excuse to keep a large standing army to defend against external enemies (and also to keep the people down).

    But ... the great weakness of America is also its geography: it's so isolated from the rest of the world that even its intellectual class, much less its ordinary people, know very little about other countries, especially non-European ones. In particular, they just don't get other peoples' national pride.

    And ... like all political leaders everywhere, except maybe in China, they don't understand how to play the 'long game': how to craft your national strategy in 25- or even 50-year increments.

    So: with Iran, if it can grow economically, it will also grow socially. The urban middle class, which is educated, sophisticated, liberal ... will grow. The sons and daughters of conservative religious peasants will become the liberal-minded college students who will actually change Iran, eventually. But this won't happen overnight.

    But it will happen. Iran is a great nation -- the Persians are a great people, one of the oldest deeply civilized peoples in the world. Not long from now they will take their place in the leading ranks of humanity. We will have more Miriam Mirzakhani's, this time in Iran itself.

    In the meantime .... waiting is.
     
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    What nonsense. Mosaddegh was the one who wanted exclusive power. Mosaddegh was the one who dissolved the Parliament.
     
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    No, it was Members of Irans Military, ex military and mobs made up of Iranians who overthrowed Mosaddegh
     
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    Why would any rational country defer a part of its sovereignty to a foreign justice system?
     
  9. IranianStudent1

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    Shah had no authority according to the constitution, but wanted to take over the military from Mosaddegh. So shah wanted Exclusive power.
    About the dissolving os the Parliment, it was only after a referandum. So Mosaddegh was not at fault, contrary to what the news of the time said in the west
     
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    Since it is an international body, and the world doesn't want another war.
     
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    US & Britain gave mony to some people.
     
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    That body is not accountable to the people and war will happen as long as there are two countries in the world.
     
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    its about the Law. the treaty require BOTH party and in congress to be approved in order to become invalid. imagine every nation withdraw some treaty they signed base on whether its beneficial to them or not, then there is no point for country to sign the treaty and obey it. There is reason why in 30+ years no POTUS withdraw from it, because if we do this, then ANY country can just withdraw whenever they felt the need to do so. its like you sign a contract, but you torn it up base on how you feel, not base on the letter written in the treaty. The US credibility take a blow, good luck getting NK to sign any treaty.
     
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  14. MMC

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    Here is the part you were missing.


    Mosaddeq era, his overthrow and aftermath
    The party played an important role both directly and indirectly during the pivotal era of Iranian history that began with the 1951 nationalization of the British Anglo Iranian Oil Company (AIOC), and ending with the 1953 overthrow of Mohammad Mosaddeq by a CIA-led coup. The party's policy "fluctuated," first attacking Mosaddeq as `an agent of American imperialism,` then giving him some support during and after the July 1952 uprising. On August 15 a coup attempt against Mosaddeq was thwarted thanks in part to information uncovered by the Tudeh TPMO military network, but two days later party militants inadvertently helped destabilized the government by staging demonstrations to pressure Mosaddeq to declare Iran a democratic republic. As this would have overturned Iran's constitutional monarchy, Mosaddeq reacted by calling out troops to suppress the demonstrators. The party then demobilized late the next day making it unavailable to fight the coup the day after.[16] By 1957 the TPMO was crushed and thousands of party members had been arrested.

    Oil nationalization
    Following World War II, Iranian public support was growing for nationalization of the British Anglo Iranian Oil Company (AIOC)[17] whose profits had greatly exceeded its royalty payments to the Iranian government.

    In 1951, Mohammad Mosaddeq, head of the nationalist movement know as the National Front of Iran, led parliament in the nationalization of AIOC, and shortly after was appointed prime minister by the Shah. Mosaddeq oversaw the takeover of British oil facilities and rising economic difficulty and polarization in Iran as the AIOC withdrew its employees and retaliated with a boycott of Iranian oil.[18]

    In early April 1951 the Tudeh revealing its "true strength" by launched strikes and riots protesting low wages and bad housing in oil industry and delays in nationalization of the oil industry. "Street demonstrations and sympathy strikes in Tehran, Isfahan, and the northern cities." Police opened fire on demonstrators. A result was "panic" in Iran's parliament at the power of Marxist forces in Iran.[19]

    The Tudeh supported nationalization of the British AIOC oil fields, or "southern oil fields only," [20] as the northern oil fields were owned and operated by the "workers' republic," the Soviet Union.[21]

    During this period the Tudeh followed a "leftist" rather than "popular front" strategy, refusing to ally with Mosaddeq. Despite the fact that Mosaddeq had introduced a new policy of tolerance toward the party,[22] that both the Tudeh and Mosaddeq had worked for nationalization of the AIOC,[23] and that expropriation of capitalist Western-owned resource extracting corporations by poor countries was central to Marxist-Leninist doctrine, the party vigorously and relentlessly opposed Mosaddeq and his program. In a June 1950 article in its daily Mardom it described the effects of Mosaddeq's policy thusly:

    On July 16, 1952, Mosaddeq resigned after the shah refused to accept his nominatation for War Minister. Mosaddeq appealed to the general public for support, but Tudeh press continued to attack him, describing his differences with the shah "as merely one between different factions of a reactionary ruling elite."[25] It was only after the explosion of popular support for Mosaddeq in the street that "many rank-and-file" Tudeh party members "could see first hand Mosaddeq's popularity",[25] and came to his aid.

    According to one observer:

    although diverse elements participated in the July uprising, the impartial observer must confess that the Tudeh played an important part - perhaps even the most important part. ... If in the rallies before March 1952 one-third of the demonstrators had been Tudeh and two-thirds had been National Front, after March 1952, the proportions were reversed.[26]

    Ayatollah Abol-Ghasem Kashani, who later switched sides and supported the Shah, "sent a public letter to the pro-Tudeh organizations thanking them for their invaluable contribution" during the uprising toward Mosaddeq's victory .[27]

    Mosaddeq capitalized on the uprising to establish emergency rule, which allowed him to bypass the Majles, and also to institute socialist reforms.

    1953 coup
    During this time the US government became more and more frustrated with Mosaddeq and the stalemate over negotiations with the UK government on control and compensation, with the American ambassador even questioning Mosaddeq's "mental stability".[29] At the same time the cold war struggle continued to dominate foreign policy thinking in the west. Soviet tanks crushed an anti-Communist uprising of strikes and protests in East Germany in June 1953.[30][31]

    As Americans gave up hope on Mosaddeq, their propaganda and covert action campaign against the Tudeh expanded to include him. In 1953, American CIA and British intelligence agents, began plotting to overthrow Mosaddeq in a coup d'état, in large part because of their fear that `rising internal tensions and continued deterioration ... might lead to a breakdown of government authority and open the way for at least a gradual assumption of control by Tudeh,` just as a local communist party had led a coup in Czechoslovakia in 1948, replacing a democratic regime and constitution with a pro-Soviet, one-party Communist government....snip~

    http://www.thefullwiki.org/Tudeh_Party_of_Iran


    Eisenhowers main priority wasn't the Brits and their Oil. It was Russia and who Mossaddeq has been playing to.
     
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    The treaty is about friendship and having an Embassy in each others country. Up until this time we were open to the possibility of having a friendly type relationship.

    Now Iran and the rest of the Planet knows.....we aren't open to that possibility anymore.
     
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    true, but it doesn't mean you throw out the treaty whenever it doesn't favor you. there is a reason international court exist. if every country do what US do, then there is no need of international law/treaty, then its pure might is right
     
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    We can throw out the treaty anytime we want to. Whether it favors us or not.

    After Iran took prisoners and paraded them around when the Peep was running the show. The UN should have said something about that.

    Pompeo is acting on behalf of Trump and US policy pertaining to Iran.

    Oh and the Food and medicine, the US was still allowing that. They can forget about the Airplane parts.
     
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    Perhaps. . .working under the direction of the U.S CIA & the British. Sadly, one of the sons of President Theodore Roosevelt led the CIA group that overthrew Mosaddegh & reinstalled the Shah.
     
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    You really are clueless. It always was the Shah who controlled the military according to the constitution and Mosaddegh who sought that authority.
     
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    Yes they did. Still absurd to allege that the US removed Mosaddeq. Iranian Communist had more to do with his fall from office than anything the US did.
     
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    No, shah was only a ceremonial post.
     
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    Of course, long ago we realized Iran wasn't open to that possibility with all the government lead protest of thousands of Iranians in unison chanting "Death to America"
     
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    In a july 1952 meeting with the young monarch Mohammad reza shah, who headed the military, mossadegh requested control of the armed forces but was refused. In response, mossadegh immediately submitted his resignation as Prime minister.
    http://www.mohammadmossadegh.com/biography/

    You evidently have been through the Iranian education of indoctrination.
     
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    And organized the election anew. So he actually didn't dissolved it.; Just changed a corrupt parliament
     
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    Shah was not supposed to be so
     

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