US vs.

https://ourworldindata.org/coronavi...A~Europe&pickerMetric=location&pickerSort=asc

What the HECK is wrong with us?

This chart is even worse than it looks, as NY, NJ, CT, MA and some other states are making the rest of America look better.

 

People were locked down for a month and when it ended everyone went on vacation like complete morons.

 

Trump and the right wing news/bloggosphere promoted that.

The only way to suggest the people were morons is if you agree that following presidential leadership is just plain stupid.


And, in this case it is ABSOLUTELY TRUE that following presidential direction has been LETHAL to Americans.

And, it still is!

 

It's no wonder that other first world countries are putting up barriers to travel from the USA.

We are the ones without the leadership or even the intention of putting up a defense against COVID.

This IS going to have long term ramfications for the USA and our economy, as other nations will be able to do business, to open their economies, etc., and we're still effectively in the isolation ward.

 

How are European nations going to open up their economies without reigniting COVID? You can see what happens by looking at Australia.

 

Do you actually have reasoning skills or do you just spew off any old trump hating bizarro land garbage that comes to mind?

 

Look at the chart I posted.

Medical science has not suggested that opening economies can't be done.

And, Canada and Europe are well on their way, while we're proving we have no control at all - other than a very few states in the northeast.

 

I've stated exactly what has happened.

Trump has actively assaulted the means we hae for getting COVID under control. And, he has constantly assaulted those of medical science for such "offenses" as telling the truth.

Sorry if Trump is your guy. But, that is absolutely what he has done for MONTHS now.

 

Experience in Australia and S. Korea suggests it can't be done.

Yes, those states that have reached herd immunity.

 

I’ve explained what’s happening......

Phase 1........Nationally, we had a surge of daily cases, from one state to every state.

Phase 2.......Daily cases gradually declined from 60K range to 20K range

Phase 3.......Most State’s daily cases were still declining, however, several state’s daily cases were re-surging very rapidly.

Phase 4......Most State’s daily cases are now surging, some faster than others.

What differentiates US and THEM?

THEM; Per 1M pop/per capita, their daily cases have declined significantly lower than US, for example;

Canada......for several weeks, down to 300/200 range, since last week, up to 400/500 range, however, per 1M pop;

Canada; 500/36 = 13.8

Versus

U.S.; 68,000/331 = 205.4

 

No place has reached herd immunity. Unless you have proof of any country or state hitting 70% exposure?

 

In addition to the above, I just googled Canada’s Active Cases chart, and their sharp drop is somewhat “unique”

Source; Worldometers

 

NYC has about 225k covid cases. CDC suspects there are 10 times the number of undiagnosed cases, Korea says 30 times. If we use 20 times that makes 4.5 million cases in NYC. With a population of 8.3 million that gives an infected percentage of 54%. Many people suggest herd immunity at 60%.

Sounds pretty close to me.

 

Yes.

In fact, Europe has a slightly higher population that does the US, but within a range where one can do the US a slight favor by comparing numbers directly.

 

Quarantine kind of was observed before FLOYD-20. After watching a bunch of partisan journalists and mayors telling everyone on TV that it’s OK to go out and protest, loot, riot, steal, and assault, everyone kind of gave up. I haven’t been as careful after the riots. What’s the point - if looters in Portland can be out all night destroying property then why should I stay home?

 

The figure from experts that I've seen tends to be more like 80% requirement for herd immunity.

BUT, it's worse news than that, because medical science is pointing out that people may be catching COVID more than once, and that other information does not suggest that "immunity" is likely to be significant or long lasting.

I gave a crap answer to your earlier question, I think.

I think the plan on whitehouse.gov does have a chace of working.

That plan depends on people following through on social distancing, masks, workplace accommodations (against which Trump issued an executive order), and highly frequent testing with contact tracing.

I know that's an ask. We'd have to get the federal government interested in providing serious testing support for materials as well as processig. And, Trump already dumped that a while back.

I don't believe Australia did what that plan on whitehouse.gov suggests. Am I mistaken?

 

Yes - that's the damage that the false reporting of events in Portland does do.

And that's also a sign of how we don't have SQUAT for federal ledership. The very idea that a protest in Portland could overwhelm the federal government in terms of political voice and leadership on a well known national threat is just plain amazing.

But, I agree that's what happened.

 

Amen.

But, again, I don't see medical science standing behind the idea that immunity on COVID is long lasting or useful or even understood.

If people have contracted COVID, recovered and then cotracted it again, what does that say about "immunity". There are known cases of this happening.

What does it say about even knowing whether one has actually recovered?

Did the sailors on the Roosevelt actually not absolutely fully recover before becoming symptomatic again? Did they catch it twice from two different sources?

Is COVID immunity no more than an issue of some percentage lower likelihood of contracting it again?

 

2.25 million is not 54% of 8.3 million.

But the CDC is not saying that the 10x number should apply everywhere. And certainly not one of the most tested locations in country. In fact, NYC has done serology surveys as well, haven't they?

 

I’m glad you see that.

What can federal government do? It’s local mayors who let this happen.
I spent almost all of April at home. Then FLOYD-20 happened and a bunch of thugs/protesters were told that it’s OK to protest and ignore health warnings. So, why did I spend that time at home? What’s the point of attempting to do quarantine again if next month another black thug can get killed by a white cop and then it will be OK to not wear masks and social distance if you are rioting?

 

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No suspecting needed.
New York test for it.
If memory serves, 22% in the city and 14% for the state,

 

That's a joke, right?

The idea thta thtere is a connection between the COVID response of the federal government and sending troops to attack Portland citizens has got to be the most idiotic proposal on this board, let alone this thread.

 

Dead link.

How about just stating your case.

 

Agreed. I think I lost a few IQ points reading the bullshit posted on this thread.

Suggesting countries have reached herd immunity - FALSE
Suggesting herd immunity as a viable option - FALSE
Suggesting protest and riots caused the rest of the nation to be ignorant and not wear masks and social distance - FALSE

Willreadmore, you have a better chance at training your dog to do taxes than having a reasonable logic and data driven conversation about covid with most republicans at this time. They don't want to be forced to wear masks or follow a quarantine procedure. As this forum has shown, they will make any wild allegation and chase any crazy lead to try and defend their rationalization. In their world the medical and scientific community are the "extremists" and Trump is the "realist" with total disregard of how ironic that is.