USA "democarcy": Gays & lesbians are forcing majority to love them again!

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/07/15/us/15gay.html
Again we see how democracy works in USA: 1 man decided what others should do and what a majority should do about a minority.

I wonder, when I am going to see a true democracy in California and US, when majority would decide what should be taught in the school to our kids!
Like there would be a poll, asking, if we are ok with it or not?
When the rights of a straight people will be respected?

 

The US isn't a democracy, it's a democratic republic. Learn to live with it.

 

Hmm... Then why I hear everyday on the Mass Media, summons and slogans like "spreading democracy across the world" and that democracy is the most important thing in USA?!

To me it sounds like a tyranny, when 1 man decides for all and in the favor of minority, instead of majority. It's a great step off from the democratic ruling, when such decisions are made. I would kick this guy out from the office.

 

America is a Democratic Republic; not majority rule per se.

And some people WANT their kids to know things which you may not... and when it comes to 'sexual' matters, I could agree that certain families be given the option to remove their children from instruction.

 

I wouldn't rely too much on the majority, Martin. It's slowly turning against you. You are going to have to find some other arguments pretty soon. We gays are getting boring and mainstream and that's the worst thing that can happen to hard core anti-gay fetishists like you. By the way, what does you avatar mean? Is that St George and the dragon. Is this some kind of Slavic thing you've got going? Just curious. Oh, by the way. How can anyone force you to love anybody? Your lead makes no sense at all.

 

I'm reminded of a quote by Ol' Ben Franklin:

"Democracy is two wolves and a lamb voting on what to have for lunch. Liberty is a well-armed lamb contesting the vote."

 

Never underestimate the lamb.

 

You said it yourself. It's a slogan. Slogans are made to be easy not accurate.

 

Yes, it is: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_George_and_the_Dragon

You can't make somebody to love anybody, at least get a true love, but you can keep forcing somebody to love. Of course, you can say no, but they keep forcing and forcing. There is no day on US radio, when they don't mention gay matters! From these mass media mind attacks I am coming to conclusion that in US 99% are gays and their problem is number 1.

 

Well, it's a 1 step towards the tyranny. With a "little push" from Mass Media you elect a guy and he does something against majority. Maybe it's an new American Way?

To remove this guy will take a long time and effort, plus even if most people disagree, what can they do? I don't think that most of them will go to demonstrations, they are more busy with their life, most of them will consider it as "a little thing" they can bare with. So, slowly, step by step you can set up a pretty oppressive regime.
If you are happy with that then nothing I can say.
I am not happy with this. People were never asked. I was not asked. If this problem stands so sharp for someone, I would make these class at least voluntary.
Or, if a boy/girl start exhibiting gay behavior, create a gay school, so that he would be comfortable doing what he wants.

 

Wait a minute. in your op you said that gays were forcing their agenda on the majority. Now, if I understand you correctly you are asserting that 99% of the population of the US is gay. I mean, you can't have it both ways.

 

You seem plenty 'paranoid' to me.

Calm down.

 

Because people are stupid. The US is a Republic with democratic leanings. This is why the US is lead by the rule of law and not the mob rule tactics that can be present in a democracy.

 

http://www.gallup.com/poll/147662/first-time-majority-americans-favor-legal-gay-marriage.aspx

http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/05/21/us-gay-marriage-poll-idUSTRE74K0B520110521

If the US were a true Democracy you would have already lost.

 

Yep. Funny how some people don't know that well enough, so they can apply it to the reality they see.

 

They are forcing it so hard into masses, so that you will get an impression that 99% of the population of the US is gay.

 

No, I am outraged by the absence of democracy. If they keep stepping on majority by little steps, then it will go further and further. It's better to act now, when it's not too late and things didn't go that far.

 

You could have made the same argument about the end of Jim Crowe.

Democracy comes second to civil rights.

 

I am not sure what you mean here.
In true democracy you can't buy all people, but in republic you can buy 1 person, also you can - brainwash, hypnotize or simply put under heavy influence. Thus, 1 person can make a decision against a majority, even though he is democratically elected.
For mob definitely would be much easier to have more power over 1 man, instead of whole nation.

 

Hmm, in California they had a poll and the majority was against Gay marriages.
But this is about marriages. They did have a poll for that and since majority was against, they finally forbade it (prop 8 ), although, they allowed it first. It was democratic. But no poll for current issue. This is the difference and don't fool me around.

Also note this. Pro-homosexual propaganda is allowed, applauded, associated with freedom, and people are hammered with it everyday on the Mass Media, while anti-homosexual is forbidden and associated with "hate", it's a discrimination by law, right? Who wants to be sued? Yes, I think it went already too far, since it's in the law. I can't choose my work environment, school environment, neighborhood environment, which has no gays and gays are not allowed there, because I find what they do as disgusting, offensive and repulsive.

 

That was before the "War on Drugs" and the "Patriot Acts".

 

LGBT folks are going to have equal rights. Why are so many of them concerned with being loved? That seems pathetic.

 

The 'tyranny' of the majority would lead to literal WAR in this nation, if not for putting certain rights FORWARD of what the "majority" might want (at any given moment).

Allowing a MOB of determined and intransigent human beings to step on the "minority", isn't necessarily good, moral or constructive. America's Founding Fathers were wise enough to KNOW that, and implement it into our form of government. Bottom line in America and in reality: No one gets everything they WANT; but there is reasonable compromise leading to the best solutions for ALL.

We'll take each 'thing' as it comes. Personally, I do NOT want to live in a nation where the "majority" determines every darned thing. (No way.)

 

It is true that USA lacks of democracy. But I don't see the problem of teach more things.

Just let's see how it is implemented. But there is a worse problem that if is taught about gays or not. It is the power of the government to change what will be taught or not in the schools. It should be a thing of the teachers, and the max that government should do is give a minimium doctrines very generic like respect human rights, and no more. The rest would be decission of the teacher what he teaches. And maybe put a minimium of knowledge that students must know, and later free to do as they want.

 

Pure democracy is tyranny. Tyranny of the majority. America doesn't have tyranny of the majority. America has tyranny of the well-funded. But suppose majority opinion were against you. What would your argument be then? That it's icky?

Actually yes you can, they're called commercials. Not so much buying people as manipulating them. But since most people aren't very bright, it works quite well.