Vax - I trusted the government, now I'm abandoned!

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  1. Monash

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    Pressure wife for sex. Develop sudden onset tinnitus (and a slight concussion). :smile: There's a known link.
     
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    The shots are bioweapons. They are dangerous to all, fatal to many. Joe Biden and others use their bully pulpits to coerce people to take them.

    I know a handful who've developed symptoms from the shots, mostly cardiac symptoms. Several friends now have pacemakers in their chests. Dr. Ryan Cole has seen a distinct uptick in the re-emergence of cancers that had gone into remission. I know at least 10 friends and acquaintances who've died from the shots.
     
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    And is this backed by the reported data in VAERS.??

    https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01689-3
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    It is demonstrated by the VAERS data and MUCH MORE, things you refuse to read.

    LTC Teresa Long's testimony in a court last week in Orlando illustrates it, if only you were interested.
     
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    19Crib Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    People are not immune to imaginary medical problems. Tinnitus? Migraines? Athletes foot? (OK, I made that up!)
     
  6. Kokomojojo

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    I know more vaxers that got covid after the shot than I know antivaxers total!
    Thanks for proving the vax gave no immunity no protection

    Here you go vaxers you get the same fate!

    Most vaxers I know now have long covid!

    Its becoming clearer every day this is a bio weapon.
     
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  7. Kokomojojo

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    Ha! software did it, that was dictated, not typed by me!
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    Jan 4, 2004 — ... reminds me of “kill 'em all, let God sort 'em out” territory. ~Duke Nukem

    citation?
    this one person is a 'representative example', you mean that is not in your face obvious?
    So that justifies escalating mistakes to include everyone on the planet? With mandates no less?
    No its not. Your 'statement' is equivalent to "My friend jumped off a cliff and told me to jump."
    Her statement is equivalent to the expectation that the people we place in authoritative position are responsible actors and in fact fulfill their chartered duties by providing reliable diagnosis and information, and provide insurances against these bioweapons from escaping into society killing millions along the way.
    So did everyone I know that got vaxed 'includin'g all the filly vaxed medical personnel that I know.
    We can however claim it may have exacerbate a preexisting condition.
    yes, and they have well over 65,000 adverse reactions, literally everything known to man.
    But its safe!
    One person representative of thousands of persons
    How many unvaccinated lived?
    Huh? Tell that to canada. lol
     
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    Koko, how many vaxxers do you know?

    I don't understand why people use their "snapshot" of a situation as an overlay on the "whole" picture. There are vaxxers that didn't get COVID or long COVID so unless you know millions of people (on either side of the vax), the X% you do know do not represent the statistical probabilities the entire population.

    What do you think the goal is?

    Personally, I am suspicious of that only because it was reported that minorities in some communities were being given priority to get the vaccine. Minorities have never been a concern for our government or our people so that just feels wrong on every level.

    President Trump convinced Brazil not to get the Russian vaccine which also seems strange because the variants will continue to travel the globe if everyone isn't vaccinated (according to Fauci (liar) and the CDC)).

    However, Americans in pro-Trump counties are dying at 3X the rate of other demographics which doesn't fit that formula because his base is highly white, Republican/conservative Christians. Does that mean Trump is actually working for the other side? Why would he want to "back off" encouraging them to get vaccinated if COVID is killing his voters?

    @557
     
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    You can claim anything they want. You just cant prove it. Santa Claus lives at the North Pole after all.

    In this case however there's no the slightest shred of evidence to even suggest vaccines accelerate cancer growth rates. If anything they should have the opposite effect because vaccines stimulate the human immune system part of which has the role of naturally suppressing cancer. This being the case the only type of cancers vaccines could possibly influence would be immune cell cancers (Leukemia's and Lymphoma's etc). But again hundreds of million of vaccine does there's no evidence of that effect.
     
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    sure you can, we have doctors coming down with the same thing she is going through, talk about expert testimony in droves! I cant seem to locate where she complained about cancer!

    A search of the Therapeutic Goods Administration’s Database of Adverse Event Notifications shows 770 total results for tinnitus linked to the Pfizer vaccine, 914 for migraine, 576 for neck pain and 59 for ear congestion.

    But neither the medicines regulator nor Pfizer’s product information sheet acknowledge these symptoms as side effects.
     
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    Those are examples form the data base collected on every drug on the market. The key point is that those data bases are for research purposes. They just list the fact that person X was given Y drug and suffered z event. They don't prove cause and effect just that a medical event was detected in person using drug Y.

    They even have disclaimers on them stating that they are a register of events and that the information contained in them cannot be taken as causative. Not that this ever stops anti-vaxers from harvesting figures from them to use in their misinformed crusade.

    To prove causation you have to first determine whether there were any potentially adverse drug interactions with other medications someone was taking, whether there were any underlying co-morbidities (known or unknown), whether the patients was following their medications schedule and a lot of other factors. Those data bases are the starting place for any such investigations, not the finish line. They let you back track to specific patients and start asking the right questions. Problem is anti-vaxers just don't want to hear the answers.
     
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    are you kidding?
    this is ripe for a CA suit, begging for it.
    Not when you have doctors at mayo with the same problems as she has.
    Vaxers are in denial, always takes a judge to wake up the woke.
     
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    It's more likely with covid vaccines than other vaccines. The institutions hide this fact or don't inform people of it because they don't want to do anything to scare them out of getting the shot.

    If she were forced through coercion to get it, I would say it's evil but since it happened because she trusted government I would say she was ignorant. Trusting government has to be pretty ignorant.
     
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    Then bring it on if it's as ripe of a result as you claim. Put your money where you mouth is and prove it.
     
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    When I was on a Pharmaceutical Cases involving an MRNA biologics, and there were tons of studies that demonstrated side effects among animals and patients taking Cancer Injection for anti-tumor response. It wasn't considered a Vaccine in 2017, because it genetically engineered a protein that had the of effect of activating the immune response instead of directly stimulating it with a dead virus. As far as MRNA Therapies being effective against Viruses? Yes. That was evident for Zika. But even better was a Monoclonal Antibodies cause you wouldn't need to take them unless you were infected. The question is long-term side-effects from numerous injections. Moderna kept hitting walls with MRNA Injections for this reason. Lot's dropped out of studies. That's not abnormal for biologics.

    The problem with MRNA is there's a huge money-making incentive for a company to focus on a product that requires routine, if not frequent, injections. A number of the cases I worked on were Injection Cases (ex. Hemophilia) where the government accused companies of overcharging Medicare cause salesmen were financially-incentivized to move as much product as possible. It was discouraged publicly, but encourage privately. My point is that all these studies in pharmaceutical cases seem to indicate that drug companies will usually choose to develop a routinely used product over a drug that's only used when needed. All Biologics for cancer require frequent administration with awful side effects like Myocarditis, Blood Clots, etc, particularly in more terminal patients that are at deaths door. They just can't keep taking it. Despite these issues, the drug companies plan to treat cancer with these injections. Cause who the hell kept taking the flu shot, except the vulnerable? You need a product that can be used to treat as many diseases as possible by tweaking it around.

    One more attraction of MRNA is that they can be encoded to make different proteins to treat varying diseases, so they're consider a game changer. We're going to see about that very soon.

    So my Doctor isn't recommending it unless it's an elderly or inquiring patient. It's due to everyone getting Omicron. He doesn't see point. It's only been 13 months. People should wait to see what happens to people on their 4th, 5th and 6h Shot. Sometimes these MRNA injections go haywire animals and humans.
     
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    it's not though
     
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    I guarantee people will suffer side-effects if the Injection is used routinely, and more frequently, for Covid-19 and also Cancer. Actually, nobody should be getting MRNA Injection unless there's a more potent strain than Omicron. Why?

    Well let's remember the many left-wing news outlets that were disseminating disinformation from a study that was not peer-reviewed in yet another bogus Nature article that was cited by Wikipedia, NYTimes, CNN and other Fake News outlets to support the claim that Vaccines are more Effective than Antibodies. It was just assumed. https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-021-03829-0

    Two days after that Nature Article, this article wrote a story about one Antibody that was 80% effectiveness, and at the time Regenoron was 30-40% Effective. https://www.fox4news.com/news/new-m...ent-appears-effective-against-omicron-variant

    In February, Nature wrote that 3rd Dose of the MRNA Vaccine was 47.4% Effective Against Omicron and 29.4% in immunocompromised patients within 60 days. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41591-022-01753-y

    This was after a Candian Study had found out that the third dose of the vaccine had a -40% Effectiveness against Omicron. You never hear about that study. https://medium.com/microbial-instin...ron-it-can-happen-but-not-always-bc101c242c51

    Only F-ing **** would be listening to fake news in December given all the disinformation that reported. A complete A-Hat. Someone that doesn't give a damn about health and public safety. A stooge for Drug Companies. A person that shouldn't be voting if they can be manipulated so easily by propaganda. You know they were paying Fox News, CNN and MSNBC to say the Vaccines worked, and the Government and Pharmaceutical Companies were putting out non-reviewed studies to push their BS. Fauci literally had his staff member write a study that Covid-19 didn't come from a Lab in Wuhan, because it's easy to fool stupid people.
     
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    the vaccine is safer than most medications out there, but the bodies immune system can always go wonky in rare instances, it's not perfect

    "Donald Trump recommends people to 'take the vaccine'"

    Trump : "I recommend take the vaccines. I did it. It’s good. Take the vaccines"

     
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    Vaccinated - I trusted the government, now I'm abandoned !

    ~ Of course you are abandoned. There is no liability — except possibly on those who made the vaccine mandatory. [ i.e. Governments & employers ] Good luck on that ...
    The fallout of this experiment has just begun
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    What isn't? Everything I said is true.
     
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    it's not though
     
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    Okay... So that's why you don't explain yourself?
     
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    And this is why systematic reviews are more powerful than single studies

    https://covid19evidence.net.au/

    The Australian government hired a whole heap of independent researchers, doctors, pharmacists etc to review the evidence
    The Uk government has NICE which basically reviews clinical evidence for a whole slew of medical interventions

    https://www.nice.org.uk/guidance/conditions-and-diseases/respiratory-conditions/covid19

    what both of those countries have in common is a UHC funded by a government highly allergic to paying more than they have to. Ineffective treatments COST not just in money but also in something waaaaay more valuable - political capital.
     
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    Is it? No vaccine is completely harmless to every person just as every medication, food, environmental pollutant, natural substance will have someone who will react “the wrong way” to it. Oxygen can be lethal to some in the wrong concentration and you can even overdose on water,

    Vaccines though have the most transparent reporting mechanism - in America through VAERS and in Australia through the TGA. The UK also has a vaccine adverse reaction monitoring system as do many other countries

    They cqanot ALL be “hiding’ things
     
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    I hope you are protected against the boogie man.
     

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