Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

I wonder, do you think he would play chicken with Maduro by flying it in to his boy as President?

Apparently Mexico has suggested talks for the 7th Feb but it appears the US is not interested in just the same way as Maduro offered Talks and Guaido refused. The reality is that what the US, with the UK, some in the EU, Canada and so on are doing is all against International Law. That clearly is the West telling the world they are no longer a part of it. The EU is also going against a lot of their laws. For the US it seems to be applauded by both parties because both Democrats and Republicans have a history of violent aggression towards the people of Latin and Central America.

I suspect the US will not give any opportunity for this to be resolved any way other than it taking over Venezuela and why is the UN so quiet. It looks like we are moving into a last chapter of the lives of human beings - and I say that very deliberately because if the intention is to go all fascist and to go on another war for capitalist gain, then by the time they have finished that, the world will no longer be habitable for any who would have been left.

Jeremy Scahill's message from the Intercept though it is stuff already said. Does no harm to repeat.

 

One wonders if any of these nations down south, if they chose socialism and were left alone, if it would be viable and more beneficial to their people than the kind of capitalism the West indulges in since the great change in the 80s?

I surely hope no one here is so naive as to believe that the US has not meddled in the political system and societies of those nations who have moved to some form of socialism. We seemed to have began to do this at the advent of the Communist Revolution, where socialism/communism was challenging Democracy and Capitalism, as the Communist USSR supported them and meddled internally in the nation in question.

But given the Communist Revolution is not waging a war against us, why not just leave nations like Venezuela alone, instead of going after them, waging economic war, trying to starve out the socialists, and the people, so they will overthrow the socialist form of gov't?

At least then we could say that socialism does not work, in that form, and naturally implodes without help from the US. That might convince more lefties of the fundamental flaws in socialism, that will always insure it does not serve the greatest number of people in a nation well at all.

And I am very curious if socialism can ever work, those forms being used, if capitalists would mind their own business and "let it be".

No doubt it is very bad for the rich elite capitalists, to be unable to get to another nation's resources, as to make money from those resources if a nation nationalizes most things. And no doubt, given the fact of the matter, that our CIA has worked in the self interests of big corporations when it comes to what goes on in nations south of us. The CIA has worked in the interests of US capitalists, many times and will continue to do so. For obviously the self interests of big business and the self interests of the American People, are the exact same. ha ha

 

Venezuela: AOC’s vision for America.

Just how stupid are the stupid? Apparently, unbelievably so.

 

As far as the OAS is concerned, it appears that the Secretary General over reached his position which is not that of the OAS

https://venezuelanalysis.com/analysis/14241

The far right countries who support what is being done to Venezuela have already created Lima because they could not get a majority in the OAS....seems they were trying a fast one here, or maybe just the Sec General.

 

How does anyone expect to be viewed as credible posting nonsense like this? I would judge by the thousands of Latin Americans in the caravans heading to America, that they are desperately escaping leftist governments to get a least a little taste of capitalism. I would deuce, if people vote with their feet, socialism doesn’t sell very well to those who have lived with it.

Well, perhaps reality is wrong and I am too westernized and egoistical to see true reality. Perhaps I need to study Plato more, and Aristotle less.

Silly me.

 

Guaido is from the Venezuelan Popular Will party, this is a centrist social-democratic political party admitted into the Socialist International in December 2014, it is leftist, not at all conservative or right wing. I suppose Guaido's party is not as leftist as Maduro's, but we should realize the turmoil in Venezuela is not a clash of ideologies.

 

Sad to agree, but I do. What they need is a philosophical revolution. Jeanette is right about one thing; this looks more like a coup than a revolution.

Geesh. I’m becoming more and more cynical as I watch politicians suck the blood out of life.

Yet, it is also true that the population is pissed off over starving to death. Perhaps hope.

 

Have you considered that you just don't know about it

 

It's about vantage point...from where I'm sitting (in Australia as a US ally) a strong US$ is just fine..in fact were that reign to end it could adversely affect Australia, I would be a complete idiot to rock the boat I'm sitting in, but if I were somewhere else then obviously I could see it differently.

I absolutely dislike the CIA's reign of terror, but am in no way naive enough to believe other intelligence services are any less ruthless.

yes... many South Africans are devastated... we had so much hope

 

I lived in neigbouring Rhodesia back then. I despised Apartheid and I was happy it ended and I was doubly pleased when Mandela declared there would be no reprisals. But then both Rhodesia and South Africa developed into precisely what the AWB said it would. "Be careful what you wish for" as you say.

 

It is. Social democracy is not the same as, or even similar to, socialism. Social democracy is a result the prosperity that comes from capitalism.

 

LOL. Keeping trying. Planet has plenty of souls to experiment on.

 

Yes, that seems to be what is going round. I did a search. No results.

He is a neo liberal, that has absolutely nothing to do with any kind of socialism. At the moment Venezuela is a mixed economy, one could say a Social Democracy.

https://grayzoneproject.com/2019/02...n-guaido-neoliberal-capitalist-shock-therapy/

as to his background and party.

https://www.mintpressnews.com/the-m...oratory-created-venezuela-coup-leader/254387/


and his intention is on bringing the country back to the state it was in prior to Chavez. Venezuela was not then, contrary to what our news likes to tell us in good economic shape.

https://novaramedia.com/2019/01/28/what-is-going-on-venezuela/


40% of the country lived in abject poverty, particularly the indigenous people. That will be what Venezuela returns to after the US created mass murder and destruction.

 

I disagree. There is a world clash of ideologies and it is now affecting Venezuela. It is impossible for the New World Order to control the world without controlling the world's resources. Putin will not allow them to do so, and any nation whether it be Libya, Syria or Venezuela that leans towards Russia has to be destroyed.

 

You are persistent.

 

Most white people despised Apartheid... the reason it lasted more than 5 years were the fear that South Africa would crumble.... what surprised me was that it only took 2 decades.

 

Yes. That is why I did a bunch of research.

If Iran had deployed ships successfully to the Atlantic there would be a huge trail of announcements, pictures and all sorts of celebrations. This is a nation that makes a big deal when rolls a fake stealth jet down a runway or reverse engineers a copy of a US aircraft older than me. if they had finally done something they had been claiming for years they would do it would be easier to find on the internet than porn. There are lots of announcements that a 'fleet' has been sent to the Atlantic, none that it has actually made it.

Maybe it will be different this time. Maybe they will actually make it past Durban for the first time. Maybe their 'stealth destroyer' (yeah, sure) will get all the way to Venezuela. We'll see,

 

Can you post links to articles instead of videos?
It’s hard to point fallacies in a video.

 

Both of your articles didn’t give details on chinas interests in Venezuela.
In fact, all of them jumped to primary involvement of Russia’s involvement and this doesn’t support your claim.

 

You, russians, should switch to selling your natural gas in rubles.
I bet eu would love Russia abandoning the usd in favor of the ruble.

 

Yes. What surprised me was Winnie's shenanigans and her pride in "necklacing". We (Sweden) actively supported the ANC and were kept updated on its' advances. But when "the misses" made public speeches, her outspoken gloating of the ANC's brutal methods were clipped out when they were broadcast on TV. Swedish media portrayed her as an angel.

 

Only a fool would deny it.

 

I think this is true as it stands. But so many liberators have turned up dead or developed into despots. I know that Putin is probably the only decent man standing today but what will be tomorrow? Still, it is always better to support a good man with fine credentials (and hope he will not fail your expectations) than to support an opposition that is rotten & treacherous (and hope he will repent).

 

Ever read Animal Farm?
Some support the animals, others support the pigs.

 

Is this the same Putin who boasts of killing millions by triggering nuclear tsunamis?
The same Putin who murdered journalists, former spies, opposition leaders, business people?
The same Putin who crushed what little democracy was left in Russia?
The same Putin who violated arms control treaties?
The same Putin who opposed detente and glasnost with liberal democracies?

Quote, "... the only decent man standing"
Can you define what decency means in your warped universe?