Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

What a load of tripe. And this is your best shot at "what-about-ism".

* "Is it true that you've been lying to me the whole year, Poohbear?"

* Yes, but Tommy lied to his father once a couple of years ago!"

 

Animal farm is about propaganda... and certainly if I've ever seen a victim of propaganda that would be you

 

China invested billions in Venezuela... look it up, if think it's around $20 billion. What part of my claim are you referring to? That Iran, Russia and China has an interest in Venezuela... I would suggest that billions of dollars can be described as an interest

 

I don't see any evidence accept for you unable to find anything on google.... which btw doesn't mean they don't make port

 

If you can find evidence that Iranian naval vessels have travelled into the Atlantic then bring it. I mean actual evidence, like some record of a port visit or a genuine sighting. I'd even be curious to see an Iranian claim that vessels have been in the Atlantic, though that doesn't itself constitute proof. Given your record I won't hold my breath.

 

Yes, the Soviets said Animal Farm was a protest about Capitalism,
you know, against the people who believe in free enterprise, little
shops, saving and investing, owning your own farm --- the very
people Stalin and Lenin murdered.

Oddly for its supposed attack on Capitalism, Animal Farm was banned
in the Soviet Union.

 

You've got tunnel vision.... you think this is about Capitalism vs Communism and missing a myriad of issues that involve geopolitics and natural resources.

 

Have the wretched souls who gave us Marxism Leninism and
250 million dead, decided to move on and find something else
to plague us with?

 

No, just an observation you seem determined to prove correct once again.

I don't need to prove an established fact.

Finally a piece of insight. I suppose if you wait long enough......

Iran is a worthless military ally for Venezuela, so claims that it will send a few ships there are similarly worthless. If conflict with the US did come to pass the life expectancy of those vessels, should they ever make it to Venezuela, would be measured in minutes.

 

You are just wasting my time with your ego and clearly have no interest in anything else than playing games. How old are you. Have you never been taught that there are search engines which you can use.

want to pop Elliot Abrams into a search on the US and death squads in Latin and Central America

https://www.bing.com/search?q=US+La...s=n&sk=&cvid=855e9cabfbf145f7d18f3c6f52f5a79e

or just do a search for the US and death squads in latin and central America

https://www.bing.com/search?q=US+De...s=n&sk=&cvid=921b9675fdef4c4292f4fa150a7144b8

Now I have 3 grandchildren who I help with homework and how to understand this and that. If you need help in the basics of research which they might, then I am not here to give it to you. It is supposed to be adults on this forum. Facts were provided it is up to you to prove them wrong, which you cannot as they were facts. I will not waste more time on you.

 

Make no mistake.

 

Joe McCarthy is dead and the rest of us have turned several pages in the book. As a matter of fact, we've read hundreds of books since. I have a distinct impression that you are locked inside the loo with Animal Farm as your only source of world events.

 

McCarthy claim to notoriety, if I recall, was outing Communists,
even if they weren't (some were mere fellow travelers.)
Mao's claim to fame, as head of the Chinese Communist party,
was to murder four times as many people as live in my country
of Australia today. Stalin's claim to fame was nearly matching
him - plus setting up a slave state and death camps. And then
there's Pol Pot, Castro, Ho Chi Minh etc..

Yet to the political Left it's McCarthy who is the devil. The
aforementioned were just beloved family members, ie Uncle
Joe, Uncle Mao, Uncle Ho.

And this is not the past. To this day many moderates and
conservatives cannot understand why we demonized,
destroyed and hunted down ever last Nazi war criminal,
yet Communist war criminals and domestic Communist
mass murderers are lionized.

 

I do not think that your obsessive interest in Nazis and Communists has lent itself well to mature understanding of the situation in Venezuela ... nor is it particularly knowledgeable on the subjects of Nazism and Communism. It seems to me that you are relying on headlines alone and give no notice of the fine print.

 

Venezuela's central bank turns against Maduro.


While the world obsesses how much longer Venezuela's Nicolas Maduro can remain in power before he loses the support of the local military or the US deploys yet another "humanitarian mission" to depose him, forcing the embattled dictator to place several tons of the country's dwindling gold on a cargo plane to a non-extradition destination as he takes one final trip abroad, the ongoing "soft coup" is also playing out within the halls of the central bank, where in addition to a lot of currency printing in recent years, Bloomberg reports that staffers are waging a small mutiny and refusing to sign-off on key bank transactions.

According to "four people with direct knowledge of the matter", some central bank employees received "early retirement offers" Friday after disregarding orders from upper management. The mini mutiny took place as staffers fret about potential consequences and repercussions of signing off on financial operations that have been barred by US sanctions, and as discontent bubbles over as Venezuela’s economic and political outlook deteriorates.


As previously reported, attempts by Maduro to repatriate $1.2 billion of gold from the Bank of England and plans to ship 20 tons of the metal abroad for cash have been stymied in the past several weeks, bringing close international scrutiny to Banco Central de Venezuela’s $8.4 billion in reserves due to fears the Maduro regime may try to pillage them next, prompting a freeze on Venezuelan assets held in western banks......snip~


Looks like Maduro is having a hard time taking the money and running. No wonder he is sticking around still.

 

BTW. You can say what you want about Stalin and Mao but Ho Chi Mihn was a good guy who fought hard against the occupation of his country by France and the U.S. ....... and beat them both. And before you make some silly reply I think I should warn you that I was a combatant against his force during 1966-67.

 

Still trying to deflect from the real Death Squads in Venezuela, huh?



Socialist Death Squads Rule Venezuela | Power Line
https://www.powerlineblog.com/archives/2017/04/socialist-death...
But Venezuela under Chavez and Maduro illustrates the inevitable arc of socialism, from parasitism to gangster rule.


“Black Wasps” of Cuba train special squads of Venezuelan ...
telocuentonews.com/...cuba-train-special-squads-of-venezuelan-armed...
The incident occurred on September 28, when personnel from the FAES welcomed members of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Cuba, who participated in the training of Venezuelan soldiers. That day, the members of the force called “Black Wasps”, known as the Elite Forces of the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Cuba (FAR), were in Fuerte Tiuna, “sharing” with their national counterparts.




Bolton described the stark reality of suffering produced under socialism and communism:

“There is no glamour in gulags and labor camps, in death squads and propaganda machines, in mass executions and the sound of terrorizing screams from the depths of the world’s most notorious prisons. These are the true consequences of socialism and communism. This is the price of freedom’s extinguished flame,” Bolton declared. “As the president has said the problems we see in Latin America today have not emerged because socialism has been implemented poorly. On the contrary, the Cuban, Venezuelan and Nicaraguan people suffer in misery because socialism has been implemented effectively.”.....snip~

https://townhall.com/tipsheet/alexn...an-venezuelan-and-nicaraguan-regimes-n2534364



Armed Civilian Bands in Venezuela Prop Up Unpopular ...
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/04/22/world/americas/armed-civilian...
Apr 22, 2017 · Colectivos control vast territory across Venezuela, financed in some cases by extortion, black-market food and parts of the drug trade as the government turns a blind eye in exchange for loyalty.


Colectivo (Venezuela) - Wikipedia
Colectivos or collectives are a type of community organization in Venezuela that supports the Government of Venezuela and the United Socialist Party of Venezuela with their Bolivarian Revolution. While the term may refer to a community organization with any shared purpose, such as a neighborhood group that organizes social events or a group that has a hobby, it has largely become associated with armed militant groups that have attacked individuals. Some personnel of Venezuela's intelligence agencies, including the Directorate General of Military Counterintelligence and the Bolivarian Intelligence Service, are also …

Read more on Wikipedia

 

Investment does not mean that Chinese are going to be making political claims. They invest a ton in just about any country and as long as they stay neutral their investment is fine and any new government will be accountable.

 

He already sent a shipment to Russia, his future home country, I think he is set.

 

To Maduro:

 

"European countries including the UK, Spain, France, Germany, Sweden and Denmark have recognised Juan Guaidó as the interim president of Venezuela ... "

I am ashamed to say that I am Swedish.
First it was the persecution of Julian Assange and now this. I think it is time to stop referring to ourselves as Democratic.

 

It is yourself who is trying to deflect from the reality.

 

I think we cannot get away from the reality that regime change is against International Law and hence the UN and totally against democracy. I think we need to be aware our countries have deliberately moved into a position where they are in reality saying they no longer respect the UN and International Law and Democracy. It is not just about feeling ashamed about our countries acting not in our name, we should be alert to what they intend doing against our own rights, democracy and so on.

P.S. I was watching a program today and there was this guy on it who claimed to be from the UK (and also claimed to be a reporter!) and he had his head filled with so much nonsense. That I think is part of the problem. The Guardian had a picture yesterday which it claimed was an anti Maduro protest. I tried to find its source but not available. It looked more like the one the previous night which was in support of him. If people are being fed such deliberate misinformation then most will just believe it. That in a supposed Democracy the UK's MSM papers are all providing Corporate propaganda rather than being honest journalists is a sign of our times and why I think democracy in the West is pretty near finished.

 

Damn. You really hate capitalism, even to the extent of starving a nation to death all in the name of “socialism”.

 

Wrong, see unlike you.....an Anti American. I present the full reality and not just the part that I don't like.

Oh and the OAS was the first to talk about Maduros thugs and criminals called Colectivo's. Then Brazil and Colombia. That is where the US got the name from.

They have been filmed in video's killing unarmed citizens of Venezuela. Good thing those Colombian and Brazilians video-recorded some of that.

I did notice you don't have any videos of US death squads killing anybody.