Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

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  1. MMC

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    Not capitalism.....the US. They hate the US and blame the US for everything. Even in issues that don't involve the US. They always come up with some lame excuse to blame the US. As they can't stand the US being the Premiere Superpower on the Planet.
     
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    Brazil is run by a neo fascist who believes not enough civilians were killed last time it was run under military control. The Christian Right and Bannon got him in, much like the US elected Trump by the Christian Right and Bannon. Columbia in a similar state. Of course all you extreme right stick together. I do keep hearing people mentioning Israel having her paws in this. Would not surprise me at all...like I said the extreme right will stick together.

    Now Maduro got 31% of the Venezuela people to vote for him for President in elections which were considered fair and free. He got the most votes and won. Trump however only got 25% of the vote of the people of the US. I sure wish to heck someone would give you guys a dose of your own medicine. It would make the world a hell of a lot safer. So yes, you have the most military power and no conscience and will kill everyone you want and do that instead of working on preventing human extinction, which some experts are now saying could happen as soon as 2030. Nope you are just busy getting as many as you can before that. Imperialists particularly when they are about to fall and fall hard, which you are, become even worse in their bullying and killing. The Ottoman Empire was the same at the end.
     
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    Trump's 'landslide': 2,623 to 489 among U.S. counties - WND
    https://www.wnd.com/2016/12/trumps-landslide-2623-to-489-among-u-s...
    For example, Clinton won California by 4.2 million votes and New York by 1.6 million, meaning that across 48 of the 50 states, Trump was the victor by about 3 million votes in the popular vote.


    Trump took 30 states as the Republican candidate, while Hillary Clinton sealed 20. Trump's ability to win over voters in crucial states like Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin -- all states that went for former President Barack Obama in 2012 -- sealed his fate as the successful winner of the 2016 election and next president of the United States.

    https://www.aol.com/article/news/20...ook-back-2016-presidential-election/23017643/

    Now you know why its not called the United State of California or the United State of New York.

    It doesn't matter what Brazil or Colombia is ran by. What matters was their reporters catching Maduros death squads/Colectivos and the Cuban Black Wasps killing unarmed Venezuelan citizens. Then putting it to video.
     
  4. Thingamabob

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    But what are we to do about it?

    The hoax? Deliberate misinformation? Then what is the hoax? The disinformation about Venezuela's decline or the report that Europe supports Guaido?
     
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    I will be voting for you in the next election.
     
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    Well, as we are also on the path of socialist hell, you may get your wish.

    BTW: Comparing America to the Ottoman Empire is nuts.
     
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    1st - why are you claiming that Brazil’s President is a fascist? I thought that according to you all democratically elected leaders are good?

    2nd - claiming that Bannon is able to get a president elected in another country is beyond wildest imagination! If he had such abilities, wouldn’t he be rich beyond imagination? Can you image it - a rich guy wants to become a president of a country, so he goes to Bannon, writes a check and boom, Bannon made him the president.
    Hilarious!

    3rd - comparing the US to Ottoman Empire is a bit of a stretch, but seeing how your imagination works from 2nd point above, nothing really surprises me anymore.
     
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    The left's paranoid delusions are only exceeded by the lies they tell themselves to keep their delusions alive.
     
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    In Venezuela, the colectivos' threat to Juan Guaido is growing.....


    As pressure builds on Nicolas Maduro to vacate his office, Venezuela's actual president Juan Guaido faces growing physical threats from the so-called "colectivos," a thuggish force that long acted as an enforcer for Maduro's regime.

    The colectivos are organized militias that use criminal extortion and other mafia-esque activities to enrich themselves. Blessed with Maduro's support and a free rein from law enforcement, the colectivos have pledged themselves to defending Maduro's rule at all costs. That takes us to the growing threat against Guaido. Because while Guaido is threatened by Maduro's intelligence services and military, those elements fear U.S. retaliation if they act against Guaido. U.S. national security adviser John Bolton has warned that any attack on Guaido would lead to serious U.S. reprisals — a perceived threat of U.S. military intervention. The colectivos, on the other hand, offer Maduro an alternative means of deniable action. …..snip~

    https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/...e-colectivos-threat-to-juan-guaido-is-growing


    If Maduro sends the Colectivos after Guaido…..Maduro wont make it out the Country. Then Venezuela just might see what a an actual killing machine looks like. Of course the Russians already knows what that looks like, after getting their asses kicked in Syria.
     
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    Ridiculous, what US government's elite regime change factories? I had to check on this mintpress source:
    Just another bunch of outdated Marxists clinging to archaic notions of capitalist imperalism.
     
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    No one ever said that.... you created that in your own head.

    China played a prominent role in Venezuela and none of this is a big secret

    Iran, Russia, and China's Central Role in the Venezuela Crisis
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11888/venezuela-iran-russia-china
     
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    You completely underestimate Iran, Hezbollah is a formidable force...and most likely the reason the US wants to invade
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes... you
     
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    Those "archaic notions" seem to be quite contemporary. Capitalism imperialism in action is what we are currently seeing on our boob tubes.
     
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    In my great grandparent's day we had the British Empire.
    All nations colored red were a part of it.
    But the only enduring empire since then was Marxism.
    Ever seen a map of Communist nations, all colored red?
    Such maps reminded me that Marxism fought imperialism,
    and created its own empire. At its height Reagan's "evil
    empire" controlled one third of all the world. And controlled
    it brutally, murdering on a scale unimaginable to old style
    imperialists like the Greeks, Romans, Turks or British.
     
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    There's no denying that 30 years ago we lived in a roughly bipolar world; there was the "First World" (Western Europe, the "Anglosphere" and a few others closely associated with these two) and the "Communist Bloc" led by the Soviets and their enslaved Eastern European 'satellites', with a scattering of collapsed "dominoes" from whatever "Socialist Popular Republics" propped up wherever the US effort at "containment" failed. China was really a separate case, but just as communist and would sensibly be included among them except that they had poor relations with the Soviets. There was also the "Third World" whose best performers led the non-aligned movement, but there wasn't much of a 'movement'.

    During about three decades Eisenhower instituted the most lasting and successful US foreign policy described as "containment" and aimed at preventing Soviet expansionism everywhere. Eisenhower postulated the "domino theory" whereby once the Soviets gained a foothold anywhere, they'd insiduously undermine the neighboring State to encroach there next. This US approach persisted through an era of competition for subordinate States and typically resulted in the installation of dictators with the support of one or the other of the superpowers.

    But all of this ended about 30 years ago. The Soviet Union collapsed, a much weakened Russia succeeded, but it was evident their hollowed-out economy could not maintain the competition and they dropped out, they released their Eastern European 'satellites', substantially reduced support to Cuba, let Angola and Mozambique, South Yemen and others go. The US no longer needed to orchestrate "palace coups" to install obedient puppet dictators, and it stopped doing so. In Central America we saw the emergence of originally leftist regimes, whose radicalized initial efforts have given way to corrupt collapses.

    This is history.
     
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    Gee. I was thinking that about you. (All too easy)
     
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    Nineteen of the 28 EU members (Spain, Portugal, Germany, Britain, Denmark, Holland, France, Hungary, Austria, Finland, Belgium, Luxemburg, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Sweden and Croatia) confirmed in a joint communiqué that they “recognized and support Guaidó… so that he may convene free, fair and democratic elections in Venezuela.” Slovenia also announced support for Guaido, but failed to complete the paperwork on time.

    Italy is the most significant of the non Guaido endorsing Euers, this was due to disagreements between the two members of Italy’s coalition government (the Five Star Movement opposes recognizing Guaido while the League supports recognition). Additionally, Romania (which currently presides the six month EU presidency), Greece, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Malta did not support recognition of Guaido. https://elpais.com/internacional/2019/02/04/actualidad/1549309018_152891.html
     
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    No, I have a pretty good idea of Iran's capabilities. Within Iran's immediate region they are significant. They don't extend to projecting power half way across the globe, however. Selling a few weapons and the occasional terrorist attack? Sure. Providing worthwhile assistance to a bankrupt nation in Sth America? Nope. Even if their three ships manage to make it across the Atlantic, so what? Not exactly the sort of thing that gets the US quaking in its boots. Not even enough to worry Australia's much smaller navy if yo need a point of comparison.
     
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    Treachery, Imperialism, and Fascism are no longer painted in red on the map. They are now Blue & White.

    NATO.jpe NATO.gif
     
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    So, it is your opinion that the U.S. is a socialist state?
     
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    Lots of "socialists" hate Capitalism - the very countries they would never leave.
    That's why Lenin privately called the Western Left "useful idiots" because these
    idiots have-it-all compared to backward Russia - yet wanted their nations to be
    like Russia.
    We know Marxism doesn't work. Most modern Marxism is simply envy.
     
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    You completely ignored the question and croaked up another rant, the contents of which confirms that you do not understand political philosophy one iota.
     
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    You are absolutely correct. I do not understand political philosophy.
    I have tried on numerous occasions to come to grips with dialectic
    materialism, Marx, Hegel and the like. But I figured these are just
    words, and history is reality. I suspect that if you told Lenin and Mao
    that Marx repudiated everything he said then these two would simply
    find some other philosophy. Lenin summed it up nicely, "Who rules
    whom?" Marxist Leninism is the perfect formula for grabbing and
    holding onto absolute power.

    Anyhow, what was the question again, sorry.
    :)
     
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    So the US and NATO countries don't like Maduro - do I feel another case of 'regime change' coming on? :roll: :yawn:
     

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