Venezuelan opposition recognized as government by Trump

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  1. scarlet witch

    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    No one ever said that.... you created that in your own head.

    China played a prominent role in Venezuela and none of this is a big secret

    Iran, Russia, and China's Central Role in the Venezuela Crisis
    https://www.gatestoneinstitute.org/11888/venezuela-iran-russia-china
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    You completely underestimate Iran, Hezbollah is a formidable force...and most likely the reason the US wants to invade
     
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    scarlet witch Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    yes... you
     
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    Eleuthera Well-Known Member Donor

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    Those "archaic notions" seem to be quite contemporary. Capitalism imperialism in action is what we are currently seeing on our boob tubes.
     
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    In my great grandparent's day we had the British Empire.
    All nations colored red were a part of it.
    But the only enduring empire since then was Marxism.
    Ever seen a map of Communist nations, all colored red?
    Such maps reminded me that Marxism fought imperialism,
    and created its own empire. At its height Reagan's "evil
    empire" controlled one third of all the world. And controlled
    it brutally, murdering on a scale unimaginable to old style
    imperialists like the Greeks, Romans, Turks or British.
     
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    There's no denying that 30 years ago we lived in a roughly bipolar world; there was the "First World" (Western Europe, the "Anglosphere" and a few others closely associated with these two) and the "Communist Bloc" led by the Soviets and their enslaved Eastern European 'satellites', with a scattering of collapsed "dominoes" from whatever "Socialist Popular Republics" propped up wherever the US effort at "containment" failed. China was really a separate case, but just as communist and would sensibly be included among them except that they had poor relations with the Soviets. There was also the "Third World" whose best performers led the non-aligned movement, but there wasn't much of a 'movement'.

    During about three decades Eisenhower instituted the most lasting and successful US foreign policy described as "containment" and aimed at preventing Soviet expansionism everywhere. Eisenhower postulated the "domino theory" whereby once the Soviets gained a foothold anywhere, they'd insiduously undermine the neighboring State to encroach there next. This US approach persisted through an era of competition for subordinate States and typically resulted in the installation of dictators with the support of one or the other of the superpowers.

    But all of this ended about 30 years ago. The Soviet Union collapsed, a much weakened Russia succeeded, but it was evident their hollowed-out economy could not maintain the competition and they dropped out, they released their Eastern European 'satellites', substantially reduced support to Cuba, let Angola and Mozambique, South Yemen and others go. The US no longer needed to orchestrate "palace coups" to install obedient puppet dictators, and it stopped doing so. In Central America we saw the emergence of originally leftist regimes, whose radicalized initial efforts have given way to corrupt collapses.

    This is history.
     
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    Gee. I was thinking that about you. (All too easy)
     
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    Nineteen of the 28 EU members (Spain, Portugal, Germany, Britain, Denmark, Holland, France, Hungary, Austria, Finland, Belgium, Luxemburg, Czech Republic, Lithuania, Latvia, Estonia, Poland, Sweden and Croatia) confirmed in a joint communiqué that they “recognized and support Guaidó… so that he may convene free, fair and democratic elections in Venezuela.” Slovenia also announced support for Guaido, but failed to complete the paperwork on time.

    Italy is the most significant of the non Guaido endorsing Euers, this was due to disagreements between the two members of Italy’s coalition government (the Five Star Movement opposes recognizing Guaido while the League supports recognition). Additionally, Romania (which currently presides the six month EU presidency), Greece, Bulgaria, Slovakia and Malta did not support recognition of Guaido. https://elpais.com/internacional/2019/02/04/actualidad/1549309018_152891.html
     
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    No, I have a pretty good idea of Iran's capabilities. Within Iran's immediate region they are significant. They don't extend to projecting power half way across the globe, however. Selling a few weapons and the occasional terrorist attack? Sure. Providing worthwhile assistance to a bankrupt nation in Sth America? Nope. Even if their three ships manage to make it across the Atlantic, so what? Not exactly the sort of thing that gets the US quaking in its boots. Not even enough to worry Australia's much smaller navy if yo need a point of comparison.
     
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    Treachery, Imperialism, and Fascism are no longer painted in red on the map. They are now Blue & White.

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    So, it is your opinion that the U.S. is a socialist state?
     
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    Lots of "socialists" hate Capitalism - the very countries they would never leave.
    That's why Lenin privately called the Western Left "useful idiots" because these
    idiots have-it-all compared to backward Russia - yet wanted their nations to be
    like Russia.
    We know Marxism doesn't work. Most modern Marxism is simply envy.
     
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    You completely ignored the question and croaked up another rant, the contents of which confirms that you do not understand political philosophy one iota.
     
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    You are absolutely correct. I do not understand political philosophy.
    I have tried on numerous occasions to come to grips with dialectic
    materialism, Marx, Hegel and the like. But I figured these are just
    words, and history is reality. I suspect that if you told Lenin and Mao
    that Marx repudiated everything he said then these two would simply
    find some other philosophy. Lenin summed it up nicely, "Who rules
    whom?" Marxist Leninism is the perfect formula for grabbing and
    holding onto absolute power.

    Anyhow, what was the question again, sorry.
    :)
     
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    So the US and NATO countries don't like Maduro - do I feel another case of 'regime change' coming on? :roll: :yawn:
     
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    Mixed, and on the path to a religious fascist state under a socialist banner.

    Or Mixed, and on the path to a secular fascist state under a socialist banner.

    Americans still believe in private property, but accept the moral principle the good of all overrides the rights of the one. This means, on paper, private property, but controlled by the government for the good of all.
     
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    look I don't know where you find all the crap you make up...as far as I'm concerned Hezbollah works in shadow, are represented in several countries in and outside of the middle east, not to mention sleeper cells and their decades long connections to the drug cartels.

    If you're trying to convince me they're a non issue... you failed

    Washington’s silent war against Hezbollah in Latin America
    https://thehill.com/opinion/interna...silent-war-against-hezbollah-in-latin-america

    The other thing you also fail to see is that each country China, Russia, Iran, Cuba have the ability to contribute unique assets... they have a variety of different strengths. As far as Iran is concerned it's very difficult to fight an enemy embedded in the population... and you just brush it off as if it's a non entity, thank god you're not in charge of security.
     
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    For the record, I stopped trying to convince you of anything when you made it clear that you would leave people to rot in dangerous refugee camps if it meant a few white Sth Africans who could dramatically improve their safety by changing post codes got limited spots in refugee programs instead. If you think I'm trying to convince you of anything you are very much missing the point.

    First it was warships that may never get to Venezuela, now it is a few Hezbollah guys. And? Hezbollah has had a presence in Latin America on & off since the early 90s (remember that bombing in Argentina? I do). The nations neighbouring Venezuela have several million issues to oppose the current regime before you get to terrorists & drugs. I am sure they don't like either, but they aren't close to the main the reason those nations want Maduro gone.

    Whether intentional or not you are making a great case for the removal of Maduro. Keep it up.
     
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    ha ha... the losers argument... if all else fails attack the poster

    ok so for you Iran and Hezbollah is no big deal... noted, I disagree. What I do know is that regime change will fail every time..but people like you will support it over and over and over and over again because your masters tell you to.
     
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    I agree with you that everything is "just words". I have no argument with you on that point. What you fail to understand (and what I cannot seem to make you realize) is that political party titles are only stepping stones and almost never say all there is to say. You appear to believe that Socialism is "XXX" and Capitalism is "XXXX". Neither is. I assume you are aware that Capitalism in one nation is not necessarily Capitalism in another one. If so, why do you persist in believing that Socialism is the same everywhere?
     

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