Veterans’ Groups Blast NFL Players For Disrespecting The American Flag

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  1. TRFjr

    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    the VFW and the American legion are the two biggest and oldest veteran organizations in America so when you earned their distain you best rethink your behavior because if any group in America has the vast majority of public respect and support is our veterans
    so if they say it is disrespectful to kneel during our national anthem then that is what it is disrespectful no matter what anyone else try's to claim
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so I will add
    how can anyone claim they support and respect our veterans and then turn around and kneel for our national anthem knowing how disrespectful it is too them?
    they are full of Bull Crap with that claim
     
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    Based on how degenerate some posters here are I figure it's just a matter of time before someone comes along and says:
    -they're just a buncha old folks, who cares, or
    -they're just veterans, what percentage of the population is veterans anyhow, who cares, or
    -old white guys, they probably voted for Trump anyhow, who cares
     
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    Apparently they don't speak for all veterans.

     
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    Nightmare515 Ragin' Cajun Staff Member Past Donor

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    Of course they don't, veterans are people just like everyone else with varying beliefs and ideologies.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you gave a list of 35 token veterans when the VFW has 1,200,000 members and the American legion has 2,400,000 members
     
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    I'm a veteran and I have no problem with these protests.

    For that matter, I'm a member of both the VFW and American Legion and neither group held any kind of member vote before these condemnations so you can't claim their members support their statements.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    0f coarse you have a token few
    just like a can give you a list of many blacks saying there isn't wide spread racism in America does that then discredit the claims there is ?
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    then best you vote for a new president of the originations if they aren't speaking for the majority of members or are they? or you need to quit if the VFW and American Legion is counter to you beliefs and values
     
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    Why can you not allow for other honestly held viewpoints?
     
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    When one sincerely expresses a heartfelt conviction by genuflecting during the pre-game tune, it celebrates the freedom of expression Americans should value.

    Despite fake claims of "disrespecting the flag", no one is kneeling on a flag.
     
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    I'll go with option A.
     
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    Questerr Banned

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    You need to support this "token few" claim.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    because those viewpoints are based on lies and falsehoods
    just like the claim kneeling for that national anthem isn't being disrespectful to veterans when you have the two largest and oldest veteran organizations telling you different
    It word be the same as me claiming using the N word isn't being disrespectful to blacks
     
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    good luck because I'm willing to bet what ever that the vast majority of members of both organizations agree with what the presidents said that kneeling during the national anthem is disrespectful to veterans
     
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    There is no homogenous " veteran" thinking or opinion on everything. I am an older White guy Vietnam Veteran and I do not believe that the payers should demonstrate their opinion on race by drespecting the national symbols such as our anthem of the Pledge. I did not vote for Trump because I lost all respect for him when he attacked John McCain 's service as a POW. I also will never forgive that POS Trump for his disrespect of the Purple Heart medal.

    So just because just about all of us Vets do not agree with the way the players demonstrated not all of us voted for that POS Trump.
     
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    Support that belief with evidence. Because I promise every single veteran in my Facebook (several hundred between my military friends and their friends) don't see it as disrespectful to us at all. In fact we fought for their right to protest.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    so you will then support the claim there is no widespread racism in America because I can drag out a token few that says there isn't?
     
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    There is objective evidence of institutional racism beyond anyone's opinions of it.
     
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    TRFjr Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    fighting for ones right to be disrespectful isn't the same as condoning them being disrespectful
    Neither president said they didn't have they right to do so just that it is disrespectful for them to do it
    I have the right to call someone black the N word doesn't make it not disrespectful or even right for me to do so. far from it
     
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    Just because one supports someones right to do something doesn't automatically mean that they support what they are doing.

    I'm a veteran, multiple wars, still serving. I support their right to kneel during the national anthem if so they desire as long as there is no policy in the NFL prohibiting such a thing. No I don't support the fact that they ARE kneeling during the national anthem, I find it highly disrespectful regardless of their reasoning behind it, but I support their RIGHT to do it. Just like I don't support KKK or Neo Nazi rallies but I support their RIGHT to have them.

    Me supporting these players RIGHT to kneel during the national anthem doesn't mean I wasn't sitting here giving my TV the middle finger yesterday when I saw my Saints sitting on the bench which struck a nerve even though I knew it was coming.
     
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    The same is said about a Union when a union takes a position. Anti union people always point out that not all union members agree with what a union president says. Funny but I get the same gaboomkas who claim that all Veteans are if one mind are the first to point out that no nitvall union members are of the same mind.
     
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    At this point, they are protesting TRUMP, not the flag. Trump is the idiot who opened his fat face sphincter up and decided to weigh in on the topic with invective he couldn't even bring up when no-**** NAZIS were marching and murdered people. He owns the disrespect, not the flag.
     
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    So because 2 prominent vets express their view, any other view is automatically wrong? That's a tiny mental world you're living in.
    As for the N word analogy, if you can find a context to use that word which doesn't connote disparagement of black people, go right ahead. But the point here is that the protest could signify a number of different things, but you refuse to consider the alternatives. Even when a vet disagrees with you you dismiss him/her. I understand you feel very strongly about this, but yours is not the only perspective on the world.
     
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