Victims of the $15 minimum wage

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  1. FreshAir

    FreshAir Well-Known Member Past Donor

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    not really, he just wants a wall he can brand with the Trump name
     
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    Yes. It’s why they didn’t even ask for funding for their big beautiful wall for the past 2 years they had total budgetary control in congress and the presidency.
     
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    Entry level workers with entry level skills have families. Either the employer pays them enough to support their families, or tax payers do. Currently, tax payers do.
     
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    Is that why republicans did exactly nothing about it when they had total budgetary control of Congress and the presidency from Jan 2017-Jan 2019?
     
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    Then there's the choice they made, which was a mistake.

    If we stop supporting them, perhaps they'll stop doing it.
     
  6. rahl

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    We aren’t going to stop doing it. You will never have enough political support to cut those programs. They are in place precisely because employers do not pay a wage comparable to the labor they are receiving. Since employers aren’t, tax payers will. Those are the 2 choices. Employer pays orntax payer does.
     
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    Wrong. If you have minimum skills you get minimum pay, so employers are paying a wage comparable to the labor they are receiving.

    Anyone can put coffee in a cup or sweep a floor.

    As to the rest of what you said, that's merely your opinion and desire to maintain the status quo. Growing welfare states are unsustainable, and we only need to look to France for a good example.
     
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    They aren’t though. The production of those employees far outpaces their compensation. Which is why the tax payers have to pick up the tab the owner should be paying.

    True. And people who do that, and do it 40 hours a week, are not compensated accordingly.

    Growing welfare is a direct result of capitalism. It’s unavoidable. Capitalism is still the best system, but it requires intervention in the form of regulation and social safety nets. You are never going to get rid of those safety nets. There is no support to do so. Not among the people, or any politician. That is not an opinion.
     
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    "Growing welfare is a direct result of capitalism" has to be one of the funniest things I've read all year.

    As to the rest of your post, I'll just leave it where it is.
     
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    It’s just economic reality. It is a direct result of capitalism.

    I take that as your concession. I accept.
     
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    Do whatever you want, this nonsense isn't worth my time.
     
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    Second white flag noted and accepted.
     

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